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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Can you recommend a brand?

They're not cheap but I can recommend: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SS34H3K?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_...

https://www.fakespot.com/product/caraway-nonstick-ceramic-fr...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

Distill your water, it's the only way to have clean, safe water.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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My mother always told me that coatings on non-stick cookware were carcinogenic. She also told me the following (which I follow but never actually fact-checked): - When doing dishes by hand, make sure to always rinse the soap off completely. - Do not consume hot water straight out of the tap; always take it out cold and boil it as a separate step (because hot water carries more lead and other metals from the inside of…

Not drinking hot water is mainly about Legionnaires disease. To reduce exposure to lead from contaminated piping, you must wait until the sitting water is flushed out before using it for consumption, however this does nothing if the entire piping is lead, you have to replace it.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

My wife and I tossed out all the Teflon cookware we had about 25 years ago and replaced it with cast iron and stainless steel. We've not missed it at all.

The thing I dislike about cast iron cookware is that it is extremely heavy. I sprained my elbow last year and couldn’t use any of my cast iron pans for three months. My mom hates them too, and avoids using them whenever she visits.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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My mother always told me that coatings on non-stick cookware were carcinogenic. She also told me the following (which I follow but never actually fact-checked): - When doing dishes by hand, make sure to always rinse the soap off completely. - Do not consume hot water straight out of the tap; always take it out cold and boil it as a separate step (because hot water carries more lead and other metals from the inside of…

I've heard people advocate for _not_ rinsing toothpaste out of your mouth after brushing and while the premise seems sound (gives flouride more time to work) it just sounds nasty.

Flouride is good for teeth, but bad for the rest of the body.

The problem is: While brushing, you absorb it through the thin "skin" inside the mouth.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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My mother always told me that coatings on non-stick cookware were carcinogenic. She also told me the following (which I follow but never actually fact-checked): - When doing dishes by hand, make sure to always rinse the soap off completely. - Do not consume hot water straight out of the tap; always take it out cold and boil it as a separate step (because hot water carries more lead and other metals from the inside of…

I've heard people advocate for _not_ rinsing toothpaste out of your mouth after brushing and while the premise seems sound (gives flouride more time to work) it just sounds nasty.

I've heard this as well, but it seems unnecessary with a fluoridated water supply.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

I actually wonder if the charred food contains just as toxic of chemicals? Heating edible oils above 200C and/or for prolonged periods produces transfats, for instance, and there is extremely complex chemistry going on in the burnt portion of foods (or really any substance containing a kind of organic molecule).

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

We've been using carbon steel pan. Its like cast iron but much lighter (not light though). They look kinda narly, but you get used to it. You "season" from time to time (oil high heat) but we haven't in at least 6 months and use that thing at least 6 times a week. Easy to clean too. This article kinda give the details. (you have to dodge a modal and click "read more"...sorry) https://www.cooksillustrated.com/equipmen…

What toxic chemicals are produced by heating oils at high heat for seasoning?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

Learning to "proof" steel is something worth spending time on. I was taught by a Chinese room-mate at college who showed me how to prepare a wok. - 1. Heat the thing up as HIGH as it will go, till parts of the base glow red if you can. Gas is better than electric heat. - 2. splash a little vegetable oil in and swill it around to cover all the surface. It may ignite, ignore the short lived flames, but brush it around…

Heating edible oils to very high heats does tend to produce harmful chemicals as well.

EDIT: For example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

I love cast iron for certain things but keep in mind you can’t cook acidic foods in them. They also don’t allow for much finesse.

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