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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I wonder how behavior changes when someone sticks to stainless. Because if they use more oil, they introduce other risks. Cooking oil is bad for you.

Is this true of all oils? I thought some (e.g. olive) are much better than others (cheap seed oils). I also thought risk increases with temperature, so unless you're smoking it on medium-high heat and consuming large amounts regularly it's probably not worth worrying about given that alternatives to cooking for yourself are mostly much worse. Could be wrong.

My understanding of the "seed oils are bad" angle is that Olive oil is high in Monounsaturated fat which breaks down/oxidizes under heat but is low in polyunsaturated fat/linoleic acid unlike vegetable oils, which oxidizes more easily during digestion, while heated and resting. Coconut oil/ghee/lard are high in saturated fat which don't oxidize under heat as easily as their chemical bonds are stronger which was previously considered to raise cholesterol and be unhealthy. So Olive oil would be alright as long as it wasn't being exposed to high heat like frying, but would be fine on a salad.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

I have no trouble at all cleaning cast iron skillets as long as I put it under some water while it's still hot and give it a little wipe. Doesn't seem to affect the seasoning either ..

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

Do you use a gas powered stove? My friends won't stop sending me links to articles detailing the cancer causing bad stuff in the natural gas stoves :o If not, are there good electric stoves that work with hard cast iron pans? I have seen the mess heavy cookware creates on those glass top cooktops - old style coils seems to be best for those.

Induction works exceptionally well with cast iron, but not with carbon steel.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

Do you use a gas powered stove? My friends won't stop sending me links to articles detailing the cancer causing bad stuff in the natural gas stoves :o If not, are there good electric stoves that work with hard cast iron pans? I have seen the mess heavy cookware creates on those glass top cooktops - old style coils seems to be best for those.

I used a big cast iron pan on an electric stove for years. It takes a while to heat up but not to the point where it’s a large burden.

I just love cooking everything with it, including eggs.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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post #129

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I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

Do you use a gas powered stove? My friends won't stop sending me links to articles detailing the cancer causing bad stuff in the natural gas stoves :o If not, are there good electric stoves that work with hard cast iron pans? I have seen the mess heavy cookware creates on those glass top cooktops - old style coils seems to be best for those.

We've got a glass top electric stove and regularly use cast iron pans with no real noticeable damage - I'm not certain where you got that impression.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

Notably, PFAS are in the food supply chain to a significant and non transparent degree. Those compostable fiber salad bowls are up to 25% PFAS. The extruders that make your dried pasta and other machine parts that make other processed foods are coated with PFAS. The paper that your sandwich is packed in is coated with PFAS. The paper straw that replaced your plastic one, to save the turtles...is coated with PFAS. Did…

The question is does all of that have to be coated with PFAS? This is a solved problem, people have been using wax two centuries ago.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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> Did you really think a cardboard straw could hold up for more than a few seconds in a cup of liquid without some type of coating?? Maybe everyone just assumes it's a relatively harmless wax coating like ye old Dixie cups and not some "forever chemical?"

Yes. And coated cups like the kind you get for coffee don't use wax anymore (and if they do it's petroleum derived paraffin). They are more likely to use a high-temp polymer

Petroleum derived wax isn’t really a problem is it?
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