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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by craftkiller »

nerdawson wrote: post #8
elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

Why take the risk for a minor convenience? Get stainless steel cookware and you’ll quickly learn how to avoid sticking by controlling temperature.

Don't forget that with stainless steel you can also put it in the dishwasher (unlike teflon and aluminum), use sharp utensils on it (unlike teflon), and use it on induction cooktops (unlike aluminum and some teflon depending on their base material). Its such a wonderful "takes abuse and keeps working without giving you cancer" material. Cleanup is easy too because if my stainless steel pots/pans accumulate a layer of baked-on grease or really any sort of dirtiness, I just quickly clean it with barkeeper's friend and then it looks like the day I got it.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by codysoyland »

For those looking for an alternative, carbon steel pans are stamped or spun from steel sheets and are seasoned like cast iron, but are typically thinner and have longer handles. These have been a game changer for my home cooking and I never heard of them until recently. I highly recommend getting a small one for your morning eggs. De Buyer is a popular high quality brand.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by Victerius »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #28
oldstrangers wrote: post #16

They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

I just read that rainwater around the world is unsafe to drink because of PFAS contamination. https://phys.org/news/2022-08-rainwater-unsafe-due-chemicals...

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by spaetzleesser »

I think in the future people will view all the pollution and toxins in our environment as crazy (and avoidable) as we view people working directly with mercury or lead in the past. It’s just nuts that we can’t find the will to say that it’s not ok to pollute.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by chinathrow »

Victerius wrote: post #43
Synaesthesia wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just read that rainwater around the world is unsafe to drink because of PFAS contamination. https://phys.org/news/2022-08-rainwater-unsafe-due-chemicals...

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> I would be banned if I laid out the remainder of my thinking.

Go ahead.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by guelo »

daveyjonezz wrote: post #31

Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

The burnt oil coating of a seasoned pan is also cancerous. Is it more or less cancerous than PFAS? We'll probably know in 20 years.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by pengaru »

hammock wrote: post #34
oldstrangers wrote: post #16

They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

Notably, PFAS are in the food supply chain to a significant and non transparent degree. Those compostable fiber salad bowls are up to 25% PFAS. The extruders that make your dried pasta and other machine parts that make other processed foods are coated with PFAS. The paper that your sandwich is packed in is coated with PFAS. The paper straw that replaced your plastic one, to save the turtles...is coated with PFAS. Did…

> Did you really think a cardboard straw could hold up for more than a few seconds in a cup of liquid without some type of coating??

Maybe everyone just assumes it's a relatively harmless wax coating like ye old Dixie cups and not some "forever chemical?"

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by Aachen »

chinathrow wrote: post #45
Victerius wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> I would be banned if I laid out the remainder of my thinking. Go ahead.

I don't know what a bannable offense on HN would be, inciting violence perhaps? Wishing harm upon certain groups? Either way, I'm not sure we need to invite it if they already say it's over the line and not suitable. If we can have a civil discussion then obviously I'm with you that everyone should have their say... but that wouldn't elicit a ban.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Victerius wrote: post #43
Synaesthesia wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just read that rainwater around the world is unsafe to drink because of PFAS contamination. https://phys.org/news/2022-08-rainwater-unsafe-due-chemicals...

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Throwaway accounts are a thing ...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

nerdawson wrote: post #8
elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

Why take the risk for a minor convenience? Get stainless steel cookware and you’ll quickly learn how to avoid sticking by controlling temperature.

I wonder how behavior changes when someone sticks to stainless. Because if they use more oil, they introduce other risks. Cooking oil is bad for you.
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