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Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by esmevane » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:48 PM UTC

jeffreyg wrote: post #17

I'm listening currently (11:43a EST) and they're quoting cyber security experts about how it could undermine security. From consumer union groups about how it affects consumer safety, from venture capitalists about how it can stifle innovation. A lady right now is addressing how it's an issue that they don't have any technical expertise on the panel. It's not ALL madness..

I'm so glad to hear that there's a mild representation from a few voices of reason. Trying to drum up any sort of attention from my Facebook/Twitter list is just frustrating and had left me very disheartened.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by boredguy8 » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

Zoe Lofgren's statements were really good, and her criticisms of the way the hearing was structured (5 for, 1 against, no engineers) were compelling. Her question of, "How many sites would you want to see taken down?" and the dodging is telling, too.

And Darrell Issa did a phenomenal job calling into question the need for the legislation because of the function of the ITC & usefulness of administrative law solutions already in place.

Wow, Dennis Ross (R-FL) apparently doesn't understand that free speech protections apply to the GOVERNMENT, not to business. "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech..." So yes, when Google takes down a site, it's not unconstitutional. When the government does it, in some instances, that is unconstitutional.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by inmygarage » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:52 PM UTC

The person speaking now has pointed out that there are 5 people in favor of the bill and only 1 speaking against it. She also lamented the fact that there are zero technical experts speaking.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by davidhansen » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:52 PM UTC

jeffreyg wrote: post #17

I'm listening currently (11:43a EST) and they're quoting cyber security experts about how it could undermine security. From consumer union groups about how it affects consumer safety, from venture capitalists about how it can stifle innovation. A lady right now is addressing how it's an issue that they don't have any technical expertise on the panel. It's not ALL madness..

That's not the madness of the legislative process.

You'll witness the madness play out when the legislators, having given the plebes their "voice", ignore every single one of them and proceed with graduating the bill to a full vote. Which will likely pass.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by ukgent » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:53 PM UTC

feralchimp wrote: post #20

jeffreyg wrote: post #17

I'm listening currently (11:43a EST) and they're quoting cyber security experts about how it could undermine security. From consumer union groups about how it affects consumer safety, from venture capitalists about how it can stifle innovation. A lady right now is addressing how it's an issue that they don't have any technical expertise on the panel. It's not ALL madness..

Talking about the Firefox plugin to workaround site blocking now... popcorn ...

FoxyProxy!

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by feralchimp » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:54 PM UTC

"I object to this bill in its current form because I believe it fails to use existing tools [injunctive relief] and does a worse job than those existing tools at solving this problem." - Mr. Issa (for the micro-win)

Unclear whether Mr. Issa's alternative bill (yet to be seen, focused on empowering the FTC to issue injuctions) would allow for DNS-based remedies, whether the injunctions would take more traditional forms like fines/C+D/damages, etc.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by davedx » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:55 PM UTC

"...protect American jobs..."

"...innocent civilians and American soldiers at risk..."

Who would have thought BitTorrent was such a threat to American civilisation?

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by namidark » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:55 PM UTC

cypherpunks01 wrote: post #5

werdnanoslen wrote: post #3

stream is broken for me

Works for me, open with VLC. Audio is only in my right ear though.

Its there in the left too -- just very soft.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by tomkinstinch » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 4:57 PM UTC

davidhansen wrote: post #24

jeffreyg wrote: post #17

I'm listening currently (11:43a EST) and they're quoting cyber security experts about how it could undermine security. From consumer union groups about how it affects consumer safety, from venture capitalists about how it can stifle innovation. A lady right now is addressing how it's an issue that they don't have any technical expertise on the panel. It's not ALL madness..

That's not the madness of the legislative process. You'll witness the madness play out when the legislators, having given the plebes their "voice", ignore every single one of them and proceed with graduating the bill to a full vote. Which will likely pass.

If it does pass, there is still a chance (however small and expensive) that it will be ruled against in the courts. The judiciary seems like the branch least impacted by the influence of big-media.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by click170 » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 5:00 PM UTC

How unfortunate. Ms. Jackson-Lee seems to have fallen for the fallacious argument that every file that was downloaded would have otherwise been bought if piracy wasn't a viable option. This does not bode well for the future...