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IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

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Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

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This just doesn’t make sense from a financial standpoint. It seems doubtful the money recovered covers the cost of the audits.

> IRS accomplished over 650 thousand audits last year by jacking up its already high reliance on so called “correspondence audits” – essentially a letter from the IRS asking for documentation on a specific line item on a return.

I can't imagine those are very expensive.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#32
post #25

Curious timing given the expansion of the IRS. EDIT: why is this getting down voted?

This comment is likely being down voted because it provides zero analysis or factual content while appearing to be an attempt to stir the partisan pot.

Please name a single non-partisan, wholly independent, politically agnostic, scientifically distilled objective tax that emerged external of any political pressures whatsoever.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#33

There was talk during the Trump administration of bringing the tax code in line such that it could “fit on a large postcard” or something like that. That went out the window for the final bill. I have to imagine that tax simplification would provide as much benefit to revenue as boosting audit counts. I’m told in European countries that y’all have your taxes pre-calculated and sent to your homes? I’m flabbergasted th…

> I’m flabbergasted that we don’t do the same.

It is because Intuit and other large tax preparers have lobbied heavily against anything that makes taxes easier to file.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#34
Wealthier people are much more likely to use a professional tax consultant or are better at knowing how to file. Audits are usually triggered by mistakes. Say the IRS gets a 1099 form that wasn't included in the return, which triggers an investigation. A wealthier person is much more likely to have filed the 1099 because they are more educated and/or can afford a tax professional. A poorer person is much more likely to just ignore the 1099 or not even know that it needs to be filed.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

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As the article states the "audits" are for the most part (~85% of the time) a letter sent to the person asking them to provide documentation for something. I would think most people think of an audit as having to meet in person with an IRS representative going over their taxes.

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Wait what? What about defining "correspondence audits" is political?

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#36

There's one statistic that I didn't see but I'm now really curious about: what percentage of audits discover irregularities, per income level? If lower-income people are more likely than average to cheat on their taxes, then it makes sense to audit them more, but if they don't, then this is indeed totally unfair.

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Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#37

This may explain why (it is from the National Taxpayer Advocate Erin M. Collins' annual report to congress): The IRS correspondence audit process is structured to expend the least amount of resources to conduct the largest number of examinations – resulting in the lowest level of customer service to taxpayers having the greatest need for assistance.

Isn’t that kind of the wrong way to structure resources? I could see making a case for either random auditing or for focusing on the largest possible sources of financial error, which surely would trend towards higher income level households.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#38

The reason for this is almost entirely the Earned Income Tax Credit. The IRS estimates 21-26% of all EITC claims are improper. The rules are quite complex, which results in more errors and it is relatively straightforward for the IRS to detect certain classes of mistake or fraud through automation (i.e. to detect if the same child was claimed as a dependent by two different people on their return). Congress made the…

We should have an electronic filing system: if someone else filed claiming a dependent the next person to try to gets an error message and can resolve it amicably instead of hiring manual auditors to deal with an error/crime that shouldn't even be able to exist.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

#39
The budget for the IRS has been continually slashed since Reagan despite all research on the subject showing increasing funding to the IRS funding increased revenue well beyond it's cost.

The IRS has publicly stated on a number of occasions they do not go after the wealthy because they do not have the resources to win in the ensuing legal battles.

This leaves the poor and middle class as the only groups they can target.

Re: IRS audits poorest families at five times the rate for everyone else

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post #30

The reason for this is almost entirely the Earned Income Tax Credit. The IRS estimates 21-26% of all EITC claims are improper. The rules are quite complex, which results in more errors and it is relatively straightforward for the IRS to detect certain classes of mistake or fraud through automation (i.e. to detect if the same child was claimed as a dependent by two different people on their return). Congress made the…

If it's that complicated and they are doing audits anyways, can't they just automatically apply EITC without relying on people to figure out this stuff and how to claim it?

No because tax prep companies have lobbied our legislators to make that illegal

(and many would politically be against the data collection that would be logically necessary to determine many of the common credits/deductions)

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