Hetzner Price Adjustment

Post by atq2119 » Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:18 PM UTC

highwaylights wrote: post #185

cbmuser wrote: post #155

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You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

The rush out of nuclear fission power still shocks me. It's a miracle fuel. It really is wonderful. It solves climate change almost by itself, or it would have, had Chernobyl and Fukushima not been reported so irresponsibly.

Post by massysett » Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

Timshel wrote: post #146

PeterisP wrote: post #69

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It's like with refrigerators - when some years ago it was both cost-efficient and even 'green' to scrap working refrigerators and replace them with new ones, because the difference in improved energy efficiency meant that the electricity cost savings outweighed the cost of the new refrigerator already within a year or two and the reduced pollution from less electricity (at the time, fossil fuels) outweighed the envir…

Not the first time I see someone saying this for refrigerators and I don't understand how it could be possible. From what I can find even in extreme case it's not true. Even with a fridge from 1972 which averaged 1726kw/h (Source: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.energy.27.... ) to a more recent one which will probably be around 400kwh. And with the kwh at 0.15$ ( https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A…

Post by lillecarl » Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #172

rr888 wrote: post #47

Its fascinating that electricity is really the biggest cost of computing. I put a server in my house which was supposed to save money, but actually the electricity cost was something I hadn't thought of and really adds up. esp when the AC has to run to remove the extra heat. So much old hardware out there but its going to get junked as new hw is more efficient.

Don't use a "server" server, unless you really need that. Use a desktop from a few years ago, from some oem who advertises power efficiency. Stuff it full of hdds and ram. I've made very good experiences with Fujitsu. The power consumption figures they publish in their energy consumption white papers has been matching my measurements very well, so you can check ebay for used machines that match your performance/price…

Post by freemint » Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

atq2119 wrote: post #261

highwaylights wrote: post #185

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The rush out of nuclear fission power still shocks me. It's a miracle fuel. It really is wonderful. It solves climate change almost by itself, or it would have, had Chernobyl and Fukushima not been reported so irresponsibly.

Meanwhile France, a famously pro-nuclear country, has to shut down many of its nuclear power plants in summer because they can't cool them adequately. (Yes, I'm sure issues can be fixed. Point is, nuclear has an awful lot of practical problems for supposedly being miraculous.)

Post by freemint » Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

aembleton wrote: post #252

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My thinking on this is that if you don't need to pack the energy storage into a small volume (like in a vehicle), and if weight is less critically important (as it'll occupy space in e.g. a garage), it opens up a lot more options for storage medium (as an example, iron-flow packs). At scale the costs could come down quite substantially given that the basic chemistry is iron, salt, water and little else - at which poi…

Couldn't the grid install these somewhere for less than every home doing their own installation? The net effect would be the same but might be cheaper overall.