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Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

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Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

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post #7

Even with all cryptocurrencies prices roller coaster and continuous scams they are 100x times better still than traditional banks - less paperwork, everything automated as much as possible, often even faster. No COBOL and online clients from 1990.

I can buy a pizza with my credit card or send $5 to my friend using his email address. It's all automated, instant, and can be done using third party clients thanks to open banking.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#42
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every proposed crypto use case, there already exists a better solution that does not use crypto currency technology.

Transferring money across countries without the government seizing or controlling it. Can you list what non-cryptocurrency technology provides a better solution for that? There are several countries with permanent or temporary restrictions (I think Russia and Ukraine are recent examples).

Changing that is very much a non-goal. Just ask Treasury.

Countries on the up-and-up are welcome to use Wise. [1] The ones that aren't are broadly cut off from the global financial networks for very good reasons. Either way, if you disagree with those reasons you're free to lobby for changes - but the ability to exclude them is overwhelmingly a good thing.

[1] https://wise.com/

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#43

I'm sick of hearing about what crypto "could" do. I used BTC to pay for a few lunches back when transaction fees were in the cents rather than hundreds (?) of dollars or worse, and it was pretty neat, but it's clear today that the crypto ecosystem has largely become a paradise for grifters, scammers, fraudsters, and straight-up criminals, and (more generally) just another way for the rich and sophisticated to get ric…

I wonder how much of this work to make "crypto" part of the economy is regulatory instead of computer science.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#45
post #10

Lightning Network is just a centralized company acting as a middleman, occasionally (if ever) committing changes to the blockchain right? If that is the case, then theoretically Visa and Paypal are already lightning networks, just without the periodic bitcoin commits. If so, wouldn't that mean that if Visa and Paypal are banned from letting country X citizens send funds to someone in country Y, wouldn't the gov of X…

No, the Lightning Network is a free and open payment network on top of the Bitcoin Network.

It's a so called "layer 2" network (Bitcoin network being the layer 1).

Everyone can run a Lightning Network Node on e.g. a RaspberryPi.

One opens "Channels" to other Nodes. Multiple nodes and channels build a network and can transfer Bitcoin/Satoshis for relatively little costs from A to B.

Network nodes can charge a fee for routing payments (or data more generally speaking).

There are different implementations of a Lightning Network node. LND is probably the most used one today. But there is also C-Lightning.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#46
post #10

Lightning Network is just a centralized company acting as a middleman, occasionally (if ever) committing changes to the blockchain right? If that is the case, then theoretically Visa and Paypal are already lightning networks, just without the periodic bitcoin commits. If so, wouldn't that mean that if Visa and Paypal are banned from letting country X citizens send funds to someone in country Y, wouldn't the gov of X…

Crypto and by extension Web3 may never take off because humans will always meddle.

If there is a transaction, someone wants to be a middleman. If there is a flow, someone wants to be a middleman. . it seems universal.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#47
post #26
post #6

"Let’s say you want to make a $100 payment to a merchant. Using your credit card would cost the merchant $3, which is then passed along to you via hidden costs. " You also get 1-3 credit card points, which for you is extra money that you wouldn't get if you were to pay for this with Bitcoin or, for that matter, cash. Also if the merchant screws you and sends you the wrong or a broken item, you can dispute the charge…

Not to mention in Europe credit card fees are capped to 0.2% of transaction value. Americans at getting screwed with their "reward" cards.

I noticed that abroad too that no one batted an eye at using a credit card for tiny transactions worth ~$2, but in the US an independent merchant would either have a $10 minimum or charge a ¢50 fee or both.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#48
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every proposed crypto use case, there already exists a better solution that does not use crypto currency technology.

Transferring money across countries without the government seizing or controlling it. Can you list what non-cryptocurrency technology provides a better solution for that? There are several countries with permanent or temporary restrictions (I think Russia and Ukraine are recent examples).

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Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#49
post #7

Even with all cryptocurrencies prices roller coaster and continuous scams they are 100x times better still than traditional banks - less paperwork, everything automated as much as possible, often even faster. No COBOL and online clients from 1990.

What bank do you use which requires paperwork or interacting with COBOL? The only transactions I have which take longer than seconds are the wire transfers for things like buying my house where the extra delay to confirm the transaction is both not a problem and desirable given the sums involved.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#50
post #29

I'm sick of hearing about what crypto "could" do. I used BTC to pay for a few lunches back when transaction fees were in the cents rather than hundreds (?) of dollars or worse, and it was pretty neat, but it's clear today that the crypto ecosystem has largely become a paradise for grifters, scammers, fraudsters, and straight-up criminals, and (more generally) just another way for the rich and sophisticated to get ric…

I’m scratching my head after reading this. Bitcoin doesn’t have “gas fees”. That’s an Ethereum thing (the term and the fee being very high). I’ve read online that Bitcoin transaction fees are in cents. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can confirm how it is nowadays.

Bitcoin transaction fees can get high on a busy day if you pay to get your transaction faster consideration. Paying the standard amount will usually work, but it can sometimes take hours for the transfer to complete, which is suboptimal if you’re trying to pay for something that only guarantees the price in Bitcoin for a certain period of time. That is been my personal experience anyway.
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