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Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

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Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#11
Question for lightning network experts:

Can LN truly scale to support feature parity with Visa/AMEX? By feature parity I mean not only tx/s but also

- Always readily available for places that support it (I never have to wait to open a channel, I never have to "pre-deposit" funds anywhere) - Fraud protection by default (I can have illegal transactions unwound)

And can that be done at a price point that's significantly cheaper than existing players?

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#12
A couple things,

I don't think I've ever seen the word "could" do more heavy-lifting than in this headline.

The submitted headline is also not the source headline ("Is the Bitcoin Lightning Network for real?"

> "$150B is comprised of fee revenue for credit card and international remittances for both commercial and consumer sectors"

This assumption that the lightning network would distrupt the credit card industry without any form of fraud/dispute handling is laughable.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#13
post #10

Lightning Network is just a centralized company acting as a middleman, occasionally (if ever) committing changes to the blockchain right? If that is the case, then theoretically Visa and Paypal are already lightning networks, just without the periodic bitcoin commits. If so, wouldn't that mean that if Visa and Paypal are banned from letting country X citizens send funds to someone in country Y, wouldn't the gov of X…

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Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#14
I'm sick of hearing about what crypto "could" do. I used BTC to pay for a few lunches back when transaction fees were in the cents rather than hundreds (?) of dollars or worse, and it was pretty neat, but it's clear today that the crypto ecosystem has largely become a paradise for grifters, scammers, fraudsters, and straight-up criminals, and (more generally) just another way for the rich and sophisticated to get richer at the expense of the poor and unsophisticated. Using it as a payment processor for amounts Bitcoin turned heads and got adoption because it was a proof of concept that proved the concept. Nobody would have given a shit if it was just a whitepaper without a deployed implementation that worked, and nobody should give a shit about crypto claims now until they are made material in a form whose harms don't outweigh its benefits.

In short, crypto needs to grow up. But I'm afraid most of the people throwing their weight behind it today prefer it in its current state.

^[1] Yes, "gas" (barf) fees are down today. No, I don't consider that representative of the current crypto ecosystem in a "healthy" state. See also: GPU prices.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#16
post #10

Lightning Network is just a centralized company acting as a middleman, occasionally (if ever) committing changes to the blockchain right? If that is the case, then theoretically Visa and Paypal are already lightning networks, just without the periodic bitcoin commits. If so, wouldn't that mean that if Visa and Paypal are banned from letting country X citizens send funds to someone in country Y, wouldn't the gov of X…

Company? Lightning is a distributed network and anyone can participate.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#17
post #10

Lightning Network is just a centralized company acting as a middleman, occasionally (if ever) committing changes to the blockchain right? If that is the case, then theoretically Visa and Paypal are already lightning networks, just without the periodic bitcoin commits. If so, wouldn't that mean that if Visa and Paypal are banned from letting country X citizens send funds to someone in country Y, wouldn't the gov of X…

No post body was provided.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#18

I'm sick of hearing about what crypto "could" do. I used BTC to pay for a few lunches back when transaction fees were in the cents rather than hundreds (?) of dollars or worse, and it was pretty neat, but it's clear today that the crypto ecosystem has largely become a paradise for grifters, scammers, fraudsters, and straight-up criminals, and (more generally) just another way for the rich and sophisticated to get ric…

paradise for people who don't like regulation. Criminals, and people with a criminal government/monopolies.

Re: Bitcoin Lightning network could disrupt $150B year payment/remittance industry

#19
post #6

"Let’s say you want to make a $100 payment to a merchant. Using your credit card would cost the merchant $3, which is then passed along to you via hidden costs. " You also get 1-3 credit card points, which for you is extra money that you wouldn't get if you were to pay for this with Bitcoin or, for that matter, cash. Also if the merchant screws you and sends you the wrong or a broken item, you can dispute the charge…

But I think consumers understand that getting a Bitcoin-based payment network off the ground is far more important than any of those features you list /s.
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