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Post by AnonCoward42 »

highwaylights wrote: post #185
cbmuser wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

The rush out of nuclear fission power still shocks me. It's a miracle fuel. It really is wonderful. It solves climate change almost by itself, or it would have, had Chernobyl and Fukushima not been reported so irresponsibly.

If you ignore the radioactive waste, it really is wonderful, but we still don't have a single final depot in Germany for it and it takes some 100k years to get rid of it the natural way.

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Post by aembleton »

highwaylights wrote: post #212
joss82 wrote: post #206

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> There's a massive business opportunity for someone willing to produce low density batteries for home use. Can you explain why, please? I'm genuinely interested. I don't understand how this would be anything other than rich prepper niche market. Installing batteries in all homes is going to be more expensive than grid storage, since you will need to pay more in total installation costs rather than installing ginormo…

My thinking on this is that if you don't need to pack the energy storage into a small volume (like in a vehicle), and if weight is less critically important (as it'll occupy space in e.g. a garage), it opens up a lot more options for storage medium (as an example, iron-flow packs). At scale the costs could come down quite substantially given that the basic chemistry is iron, salt, water and little else - at which poi…

Couldn't the grid install these somewhere for less than every home doing their own installation?

The net effect would be the same but might be cheaper overall.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by naniwaduni »

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #251
highwaylights wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rush out of nuclear fission power still shocks me. It's a miracle fuel. It really is wonderful. It solves climate change almost by itself, or it would have, had Chernobyl and Fukushima not been reported so irresponsibly.

If you ignore the radioactive waste, it really is wonderful, but we still don't have a single final depot in Germany for it and it takes some 100k years to get rid of it the natural way.

"Takes a long time to become progressively less harmful" is, if you think about it, an improvement over "never really gets any less bad".

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by joss82 »

aembleton wrote: post #252
highwaylights wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thinking on this is that if you don't need to pack the energy storage into a small volume (like in a vehicle), and if weight is less critically important (as it'll occupy space in e.g. a garage), it opens up a lot more options for storage medium (as an example, iron-flow packs). At scale the costs could come down quite substantially given that the basic chemistry is iron, salt, water and little else - at which poi…

Couldn't the grid install these somewhere for less than every home doing their own installation? The net effect would be the same but might be cheaper overall.

My point exactly.

Iron flow sounds great though. Thanks for mentioning, I'll look into it.

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Post by greggyb »

ruuda wrote: post #247
greggyb wrote: post #157

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It depends on your requirements. Serving user-facing content is likely to be a task best suited to data centers geographically close to the user base. There are plenty of non-user-facing tasks that could be offloaded to another location. As an example, the product I am developing spends most of its time calling third party APIs to do bulk data extraction and processing. That can happen anywhere. After data processing…

With cloud egress cost though, moving the data to a low-cost region could be expensive itself. I wonder when it would pay off.

I am not shipping more than 20TB/host/month: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud

Also not shipping more than unlimited/host/month: https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/vps/

Start with a cloud provider that is better in terms of cost profile, and then move only the stuff that needs wider distribution to a higher cost geo-distributed provider.

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Post by schroeding »

elorant wrote: post #181

I have a bunch of servers in an apartment I use as a secondary office space. Monthly electricity cost increased by 230%. It’s like that since January. Hetzner’s 10% seems too low, although the increase is calculated on the total price of the server, so I guess it could be sufficient. I won’t be surprised if they further increase their prices in the near future.

I currently pay less per month to Hetzner for a rented dedicated server (from the second hand "server auction" section) than I would pay in electricity alone if I ran the thing in my home. Yeah, electricity is quite expensive now in Germany and Europe. ^^

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Post by sdoering »

cbmuser wrote: post #155
Loic wrote: post #72

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In Germany, my rule of thumb was that a constant 1W load is 1€/year. This year, I had to update it, it is now more something like 3€/year. The increase is so important I am still not sure if my calculations are right! 1W x 24h x 365 = 8760Wh My current price: 0.33€/kWh (100% renewable) 8.76kWh x 0.33€/kWh = 2.89€

You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

With nuclear being 6.3 percent and the rest of this half of the circle being coal and a bit of gas.

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Post by longsword »

cbmuser wrote: post #155
Loic wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, my rule of thumb was that a constant 1W load is 1€/year. This year, I had to update it, it is now more something like 3€/year. The increase is so important I am still not sure if my calculations are right! 1W x 24h x 365 = 8760Wh My current price: 0.33€/kWh (100% renewable) 8.76kWh x 0.33€/kWh = 2.89€

You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

It's not 100% renewable in the Mix. Thats not what he said. It just means, that he picked a supplier, which exclusively buys renewable energy on the energy market. Obviously it's still the same energy mix, which arrives on your house. But your money won't support Coal Power Plants.

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Post by jacooper »

schroeding wrote: post #256
elorant wrote: post #181

I have a bunch of servers in an apartment I use as a secondary office space. Monthly electricity cost increased by 230%. It’s like that since January. Hetzner’s 10% seems too low, although the increase is calculated on the total price of the server, so I guess it could be sufficient. I won’t be surprised if they further increase their prices in the near future.

I currently pay less per month to Hetzner for a rented dedicated server (from the second hand "server auction" section) than I would pay in electricity alone if I ran the thing in my home. Yeah, electricity is quite expensive now in Germany and Europe. ^^

I think Germany has the most expensive electricity in the world, and AFAIK that was 2021, so its even worse in 2022.
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