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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by jve »

bungle wrote: post #134
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9

Germany € 0.29/kWh € 0.45/kWh Finland € 0.12/kWh € 0.22/kWh Damn, why is electricity in Germany over twice as expensive as in Finland? I doubt Germans have twice the purchasing power as Finns.

This picture shows you this crazyness: https://lampopumput.info/foorumi/attachments/1660195161813-p... In north Norway the electricity costs: 0.75 c/kWh In south Norway the electricity costs: 307.00 c/kWh In Latvia it costs: 1,240.00 c/kWh It is like that every day everywhere in Europe. In Finland the transfer line to Estonia means a lot to our local prices. If we cannot get that line fully utilised (in normal non-wi…

> In Latvia it costs: 1,240.00 c/kWh

Note that this is particular price point today (11.08.2022) at 12 - 13. Record was some other day for 2100 c/kWh.

However at particular moment, you can get 27 c/kWh fixed price contract. (last year it was 6 c/kWh)

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Post by iforgotpassword »

rr888 wrote: post #47

Its fascinating that electricity is really the biggest cost of computing. I put a server in my house which was supposed to save money, but actually the electricity cost was something I hadn't thought of and really adds up. esp when the AC has to run to remove the extra heat. So much old hardware out there but its going to get junked as new hw is more efficient.

Don't use a "server" server, unless you really need that. Use a desktop from a few years ago, from some oem who advertises power efficiency. Stuff it full of hdds and ram.

I've made very good experiences with Fujitsu. The power consumption figures they publish in their energy consumption white papers has been matching my measurements very well, so you can check ebay for used machines that match your performance/price expectations and then google eg "p920 energy white paper" and check the pdf. (Note, some models are available with different PSUs, ie 90+ and 85+.)

My "home server" mostly idles at 14W with one hdd running, one in standby and one ssd.

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Post by schroeding »

breakingcups wrote: post #161
miohtama wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner has a data center in Finland as well. While the electricity price in Finland is going up, it is not going up as much as in Germany due to availability of nuclear power. If you want to use Hetzner services I recommend picking a location in Finland.

How is the peering to Finland nowadays? Last I heard it was all still going through their German centres.

From Telekom Germany:

Telekom -> Level3 (*.edge1.helsinki1.level3.net et al.) -> Hetzner Helsinki (core*.hel1.hetzner.com)

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by upupandup »

cbmuser wrote: post #152

The result of shutting down nuclear plants. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well the green energy proponents (which we are now learning were on the payroll of Gazprom lobbyists) launched a FUD campaign against nuclear plants which were completely safe and working fine post-Fukushima.

This chess move by Putin is paying dividends because Germany is shifting towards populism/right wing as is the trend in Western Europe (can you really blame Parisians?) and realizing it can't replace Russian gas without incurring serious internal turmoil and economic ruin.

Now we are seeing this impact everything. Even hetzner isn't safe.

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Post by Macha »

Timshel wrote: post #146
PeterisP wrote: post #69

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It's like with refrigerators - when some years ago it was both cost-efficient and even 'green' to scrap working refrigerators and replace them with new ones, because the difference in improved energy efficiency meant that the electricity cost savings outweighed the cost of the new refrigerator already within a year or two and the reduced pollution from less electricity (at the time, fossil fuels) outweighed the envir…

Not the first time I see someone saying this for refrigerators and I don't understand how it could be possible. From what I can find even in extreme case it's not true. Even with a fridge from 1972 which averaged 1726kw/h (Source: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.energy.27.... ) to a more recent one which will probably be around 400kwh. And with the kwh at 0.15$ ( https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A…

1. Electricity in other countries is more expensive. e.g. in Ireland it is €0.35/kwh (~$0.40).

2. Other countries have smaller houses, therefore smaller kitchens therefore smaller refrigerators. Between that and higher energy efficiency standards in general, new refrigerators in my local store vary from 230kwh (A energy rating) to 260kwh (F energy rating) in power usage.

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Post by joss82 »

Symbiote wrote: post #160
cbmuser wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

It's possible to pay extra for only renewable electricity.

No you can't (unless you do it yourself but the price is extremely high if you want uninterrupted power). What happens is: your provider purchase "green energy certificates" which means that some green electricity was generated on a sunny and/or windy day. When it's night and the wind don't blow, you use coal and gas as everyone else.

No storage is cheap enough to store solar and wind energy on day-to-day scale, let alone seasonally.

Please don't let the brainwashing gets to you and inform yourself.

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Post by doikor »

riskable wrote: post #142
samsk wrote: post #62

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The primary reason is: Winter is coming... But there is more: - They wanted to be super green so lets go with sun and wind - But, hey sun and wind are not reliable (not talking about some problems that the grid is not very good prepared to handle the peaks), especially not in winter - Let's use gas to cover that, Russia is so friendly country, and its all about business, what kind of maniac would stop natural gas, wh…

> They wanted to be super green so lets go with sun and wind This is a complete mischaracterization of why Germany invested so much into renewables. Like... 20 years ago? Germany saw the writing on the wall when it comes to how they were getting their energy which at the time was mostly coming from coal. They didn't want to go Nuclear for whatever reason so that left renewables and natural gas which wasn't preferred…

I would say the big mistake was to only use pipelines to Russia for gas. They should have built LNG terminals as redundancy. And maybe push for another pipeline to Algeria either through France and Spain or Austria/Switzerland and Italy.

They basically left the door open to abusive trade partners by not building any redundancy on such a critical resource. And it is not just electricity Germany needs gas for as it is also a very important resource for lots of industrial processes (and used for heating a lot but that should be replaced by heat air pumps)

Obviously such redundancy would have pushed up the price of gas in the short term at least. Easy to say this stuff in hindsight.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

Symbiote wrote: post #160
cbmuser wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t get 100% renewable in Germany. The mix is 50% renewables, the rest is nuclear, coal and natural gas. With nuclear being phased out for ideological reasons and natural gas being scarse due to the war in Ukraine, Germany will soon burn more coal than ever. New electricity contracts already go as high as 70 Cents/kWh thanks to the misguided energy policy in Germany.

It's possible to pay extra for only renewable electricity.

I'm curious what that actually accomplishes in non marketing terms. That just means someone else is getting less renewable electricity, right?

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Post by tcmart14 »

jaywalk wrote: post #66
jbverschoor wrote: post #60

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ARM on desktop => ARM for development => ARM on servers => ARM on cloud. Apple's multi-billion contracts with AWS are ending this or next year, Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS, as they have to maintain/increase growth.

> Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS Are you saying Apple is going to roll out an AWS competitor to the public? I find that highly unlikely.

I wouldn't be too surprised. They already have or are rolling out cloud development environments with XCode cloud.

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Post by simongray »

ReadTheLicense wrote: post #135
zapt02 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use Nord Pool data for the last couple of years to do estimations. https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/en/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-...

You have day-ahead pricing at home? Please tell me how

This is also common in Denmark. You get the new estimated hour-by-hour rates around noon the day before.

I actually made a little calendar subscription service[1] to help our household plan when to run the dishwasher, drier etc. and we've saved about 50% this quarter despite the rising electricity costs. You can usually tell when it's cheap/almost free too just by sticking your head out the window, since it's mostly always the cheapest on especially windy days.

[1] https://el.simongray.dk/

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