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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by netzego »

PinguTS wrote: post #57
jansan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany already had the highest electricity prices in the world even when gas was cheap. Green energy has become an ersatz-religion here.

Green energy is in the costs of 8 cents/Wh. Coal is more expansive as gas always was. Only nuclear is calculated with 2 cents/Wh ignoring the costs of the nuclear waste as this paid for by taxes in addition.

Also ignoring the cost of cooling water they take for free from rivers and habitats. As half of the German water consumption are used for cooling gas, coil and atom facilities. As stated in this article.

"In Deutschland zum Beispiel geht etwa die Hälfte des gesamten Wasserverbrauchs für das Kühlen der Atom-, Kohle- und Gaskraftwerke drauf [...]"

https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Krisenstab-eingesetzt-Atomd...

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by michaelmior »

lukeqsee wrote: post #64
prirun wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that electricity costs is the dominating cost of cloud computing In the article, they say that electricity has gone from .29 to .45 euros, a 55% increase. If electricity was the dominating cost, seems like they would have raised the price way more than 10%.

The article didn't seem to say how much they're raising prices, only that they're raising prices due to electricity. Where are you pulling seeing the price change %? I may need to edit that to marginal , if it's only 10%. :)

> we are forced to increase the prices of many of our products by approximately 10%

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by polaco »

lukeqsee wrote: post #64
prirun wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that electricity costs is the dominating cost of cloud computing In the article, they say that electricity has gone from .29 to .45 euros, a 55% increase. If electricity was the dominating cost, seems like they would have raised the price way more than 10%.

The article didn't seem to say how much they're raising prices, only that they're raising prices due to electricity. Where are you pulling seeing the price change %? I may need to edit that to marginal , if it's only 10%. :)

First paragraph: "we are forced to increase the prices of many of our products by approximately 10%"

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by zapt02 »

Loic wrote: post #72
rr888 wrote: post #47

Its fascinating that electricity is really the biggest cost of computing. I put a server in my house which was supposed to save money, but actually the electricity cost was something I hadn't thought of and really adds up. esp when the AC has to run to remove the extra heat. So much old hardware out there but its going to get junked as new hw is more efficient.

In Germany, my rule of thumb was that a constant 1W load is 1€/year. This year, I had to update it, it is now more something like 3€/year. The increase is so important I am still not sure if my calculations are right! 1W x 24h x 365 = 8760Wh My current price: 0.33€/kWh (100% renewable) 8.76kWh x 0.33€/kWh = 2.89€

You can use Nord Pool data for the last couple of years to do estimations.

https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/en/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-...

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by quintussss »

pfdietz wrote: post #80
lukeqsee wrote: post #4

While the pricing is interesting, I think the fact it is driven by the input costs of electricity is even more telling. The fact that electricity costs is the dominating (edit, correction: marginal ) cost of cloud computing basically means that: 1) We're up against physical barriers to lowering the cost (and ecological impact) of our clouds. 2) Optimizing for less compute will pay multi-fold dividends over the next f…

4) Cloud computing will be outsourced to low energy cost countries.

I wonder if latency allows this

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by [deleted] »

lukeqsee wrote: post #64
prirun wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that electricity costs is the dominating cost of cloud computing In the article, they say that electricity has gone from .29 to .45 euros, a 55% increase. If electricity was the dominating cost, seems like they would have raised the price way more than 10%.

The article didn't seem to say how much they're raising prices, only that they're raising prices due to electricity. Where are you pulling seeing the price change %? I may need to edit that to marginal , if it's only 10%. :)

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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by michaelmior »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #71

Just write efficient software, then you won’t need that many servers.

While this is true to a degree, development costs also come into play here. Let's simplify the problem a lot for a moment. Suppose the only thing you care about is cost and the only things you can control are the hardware you're running on and the code it runs. You can optimize your code to use less hardware, which would lower operational costs. But you also have to pay developers to optimize the code. In some cases, it may be more cost effective to run less efficient code rather than pay for the development time to optimize.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by s1artibartfast »

rr888 wrote: post #47

Its fascinating that electricity is really the biggest cost of computing. I put a server in my house which was supposed to save money, but actually the electricity cost was something I hadn't thought of and really adds up. esp when the AC has to run to remove the extra heat. So much old hardware out there but its going to get junked as new hw is more efficient.

Electricity is a significant opex for many products including Agriculture. For example, I've seen Farmers cost as high as 50% for power, generally to move or pump water

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by rgj »

Guess this is something that has been going on for much longer already.

Leaseweb has been raising their prices because of higher electricity costs on February 1st, and recently DigitalOcean raised their price by even 20%.

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