Just write efficient software, then you won’t need that many servers.
Hetzner Price Adjustment
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#72Its fascinating that electricity is really the biggest cost of computing. I put a server in my house which was supposed to save money, but actually the electricity cost was something I hadn't thought of and really adds up. esp when the AC has to run to remove the extra heat. So much old hardware out there but its going to get junked as new hw is more efficient.
In Germany, my rule of thumb was that a constant 1W load is 1€/year. This year, I had to update it, it is now more something like 3€/year. The increase is so important I am still not sure if my calculations are right!
1W x 24h x 365 = 8760Wh
My current price: 0.33€/kWh (100% renewable)
8.76kWh x 0.33€/kWh = 2.89€Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment
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ARM on desktop => ARM for development => ARM on servers => ARM on cloud. Apple's multi-billion contracts with AWS are ending this or next year, Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS, as they have to maintain/increase growth.
> Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS Are you saying Apple is going to roll out an AWS competitor to the public? I find that highly unlikely.
What other verticals does it have to seek out next, if growth is demanded by shareholders?
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article didn't seem to say how much they're raising prices, only that they're raising prices due to electricity. Where are you pulling seeing the price change %? I may need to edit that to marginal , if it's only 10%. :)
The article gives the prices in a table in you scroll down a bit : electricity/air conditioning rate old price* new price*\ Germany € 0.29/kWh € 0.45/kWh Finland € 0.12/kWh € 0.22/kWh
That's the price for electricity/air conditioning (presumably for Hetzner), not how much their products will rise in price.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
ARM on desktop => ARM for development => ARM on servers => ARM on cloud. Apple's multi-billion contracts with AWS are ending this or next year, Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS, as they have to maintain/increase growth.
> Apple has their own power efficient systems and will compete with AWS Are you saying Apple is going to roll out an AWS competitor to the public? I find that highly unlikely.
But you’ll only be allowed to deploy code that’s been reviewed by Apple.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article gives the prices in a table in you scroll down a bit : electricity/air conditioning rate old price* new price*\ Germany € 0.29/kWh € 0.45/kWh Finland € 0.12/kWh € 0.22/kWh
That's the price for electricity/air conditioning (presumably for Hetzner), not how much their products will rise in price.
It is the electricity/air rate for their colocation service
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Germany already had the highest electricity prices in the world even when gas was cheap. Green energy has become an ersatz-religion here.
Green energy is in the costs of 8 cents/Wh. Coal is more expansive as gas always was. Only nuclear is calculated with 2 cents/Wh ignoring the costs of the nuclear waste as this paid for by taxes in addition.
Are you missing a 'k' or 'M' on those units? 8 cents per watt-hour is obscenely expensive. A hibernating Mac m1 would cost over a dollar an hour. Just to hibernate.
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AWS has never raised prices on me.
because everything except the loss leader (EC2) has triple+ digit markup
What is "loss leader"? Do you mean they make a loss on EC2, or that it's the bottom entry if you'd sort by profit? I'd assume the former but making a loss at AWS' price level would be extremely impressive.
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I mean if your competition is Amazon I image you'd have to be like that.
Their competition charges XXX% markups on everything but EC2...
EC2 is definitely at a premium. If you are pricing CPU and RAM, the big three cloud providers are near the top of the pricing continuum. Hetzner is usually at or near the bottom end of the pricing continuum.
If you are including the value-add of other cloud features, then it is not a like-for-like comparison.
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#80While the pricing is interesting, I think the fact it is driven by the input costs of electricity is even more telling. The fact that electricity costs is the dominating (edit, correction: marginal ) cost of cloud computing basically means that: 1) We're up against physical barriers to lowering the cost (and ecological impact) of our clouds. 2) Optimizing for less compute will pay multi-fold dividends over the next f…
4) Cloud computing will be outsourced to low energy cost countries.