Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by vanelsas » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 7:42 AM UTC

Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion
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Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by davyjones » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 8:04 AM UTC

OK...this is going to be a bit meta. Then why submit it here?

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by eitland » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 8:55 AM UTC

davyjones wrote: post #2

OK...this is going to be a bit meta. Then why submit it here?

Because it this piece is well written and can prove important to readers of HN.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by MostAwesomeDude » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 8:59 AM UTC

You just asked for HN's opinion, though, even though you don't care about it? That's a bit of doublethink right there.

Anyway, yes, fuck you too, but if it makes you feel better, most of the Internet is populated by tools, trolls, and fools, and HN's not somehow above that. I'm not sure why you'd think that, either. As two of our greatest philosophers once noted, the Internet's greatest purpose is slandering others anonymously.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by aniket_ray » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:02 AM UTC

Another negative comment here but frankly, I don't agree with the author's logic. Gruber had made a very unsubstantiated point and the commenters on that story had pointed that out. Apart from fanboyism, Gruber's comment is on pretty thin ice.

Most commenters on the Android Open source story also raised some pretty valid concerns. It's not a lie that Google has been loose with term "open", commenters were ready to point that out.

There is no reason to get all worked up about valid negative points (most of which are not opinions).

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by vanelsas » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:05 AM UTC

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #4

You just asked for HN's opinion, though, even though you don't care about it? That's a bit of doublethink right there. Anyway, yes, fuck you too, but if it makes you feel better, most of the Internet is populated by tools, trolls, and fools, and HN's not somehow above that. I'm not sure why you'd think that, either. As two of our greatest philosophers once noted, the Internet's greatest purpose is slandering others a…

I guess my writing skills are not so good. I think opinions matter, I just feel we can do a little less with f*cking opinions.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by dia80 » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:11 AM UTC

I read the comments on one of the articles he refers to. Given the potential for fanboism and holy war the topic (platform orientated career advice) inspires and that a larger fraction of readers probably feel qualified to comment on this post rather than, say, the Haskell cheat sheet I thought the comments were ok.

Comments perhaps contain more critique than glowing praise because the action is at the margin. The value to me of a 'this is wonderful' comment followed by lots of 'I agree' is less that a robust discussion.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by nandemo » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:13 AM UTC

aniket_ray wrote: post #5

Another negative comment here but frankly, I don't agree with the author's logic. Gruber had made a very unsubstantiated point and the commenters on that story had pointed that out. Apart from fanboyism, Gruber's comment is on pretty thin ice. Most commenters on the Android Open source story also raised some pretty valid concerns. It's not a lie that Google has been loose with term "open", commenters were ready to po…

I agree regarding Gruber.

And most of the top comments on the Google thread were either positive or "negative" but still informative.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by stuartk » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:13 AM UTC

Most comment threads that I see on HN, by and large, contain both sides to any argument.

They're like a conversation you might have with a friend, one person gives their opinion, the other perhaps gives the opposing argument and so on.

But of course, if you take any single comment out of context, it's usually either positive or negative. There are exceptions where commenters give a more rounded, thought out perspective, but it's mainly short opinionated comments.

And that's how conversations often are; short, off the cuff remarks. Rarely carefully worded, equal handed monologues.

Re: Dear HN: I Don't care about your f*cking opinion

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Post by jcr » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 9:22 AM UTC

If you're on HN and haven't read all of the following, it's worth your time and effort to do so:

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html

http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html

Though far less important that the above, there are plenty people on HN who are counter examples to the points of the article author (vanelsas). I just had a exchange which was counter example: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3241478

It's fine to disagree, and it's good suggest improvements, but also taking the time to note the good stuff created by the original author helps and encourages civility.