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Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> 1Gbps with unlimited data for $79 a month Wow, sign me up. Comcast, which has a monopoly on my market, charges me a few bucks more per month, for 150mbps.

The costs for internet in the US still surprises me, how on earth can it be so expensive?! I understand some countries, but in the US, it seems high costs are because "because we can", not because it has to be like that. In comparison, you get 1 Gbps symmetric fiber connection in most countries in Europe for under ~$30/month. In some, you even get it for under $10/month (like Romania, which has surprisingly awesome i…

>The costs for internet in the US still surprises me, how on earth can it be so expensive?!

Monopolies and regulatory capture. I can't get ANY wired ISP where I'm at. Even AT&T ADSL which was like .5Mbps and ~50% packet loss terminated service to our neighborhood, saying the copper is too degraded. Comcast, for some reason, told us that to wire the entire neighborhood would cost them $73000 dollars, but they won't do it. That was 3 years ago. I'd have paid them 4000 dollars since then for business gigabit by now. I have been kicked off of multiple MVNO's (not for my abuse, but because AT&T/Verizon terminated their ability to sell SIMs for modem use).

My only current option is T-Mobile's home internet service (via LTE/5g), which works well most of the time but has some pretty ridiculous outages at least once a week. I gave Elon my 100 bucks years ago when they said we'd have starlink available by EOY 2021. They're now saying Q3 2023.

These ISP's have us over a barrel in the states.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I greatly respect the initiative and scrappy-ness of someone doing this. And the legacy providers are clearly sitting on their monopoly position in a way that makes their pathetic alternative so starkly unattractive. But isn't it also true that once his network grows above a certain customer base (and gets into the maintenance phase), he will start to see all the effects that eat into being able to do this cheaply? N…

Hopefully with the government funding he can turn it into a real business.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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You are a private person and you choose to live deep in the country-side / on a desert / on an island / remote location / deep in the forest. Who should pay for your road, your electricity, your water, your internet connection when you are the one mostly benefiting from it ? Taxes have to be used primarily with the goal to maximize public interest, not the interests of single private persons. Perhaps a Starlink conne…

5G internet is no replacement for wired internet. The latency is terrible for use cases like gaming.

I thought 5G was in the range of 1-10ms.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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It's funny because he said one of the houses needed 0.5 miles of cable. My jaw dropped when he said it would only be $30K for that. I'm speaking as someone who has had a few hundred foot trenches dug in my yard for running cable. Extrapolating it to 0.5 miles would come out to a lot more than $30K.

What's the expensive part of a new fibre run? With $30k you could hire an excavator and operator for maybe 15 to 20 weeks straight, but I'm guessing the pits are expensive and dealing with obstacles is hard.

I don't know. I didn't do it. I just know how much money came out of my wallet and how long the trench was. :-)

So that means I paid for labor. But presumably some part of that $30K will be going to labor as well.

Another possibility is that when you get to the scale of 0.5 miles, you start using different tactics or machines than the small little backhoe loader that the guy used in our yard. So, more capital required but overall more efficient.

Anyway, I don't mean to try and offer an accurate accounting of all of this. I mostly just meant to provide a counter-expectation.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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In many rural places in the US, the majority of homes have their own septic tank and leech field. Some homes (although it's much rarer) even haul in their own water by truck. Power and phone are often on poles. They probably use LP gas brought in by truck. So often the main concern is the water mains.

Lots of rural folks rely on well water.

True. Many of the places that are low-hanging fruit for rural Internet access do not, but it's a mix. Many of these places that the comments are dismissing as irredeemably remote are along secondary highways less than five miles from a city limit. Lots of those places have water mains, but certainly there are places with private wells.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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post #252

I greatly respect the initiative and scrappy-ness of someone doing this. And the legacy providers are clearly sitting on their monopoly position in a way that makes their pathetic alternative so starkly unattractive. But isn't it also true that once his network grows above a certain customer base (and gets into the maintenance phase), he will start to see all the effects that eat into being able to do this cheaply? N…

Hopefully with the government funding he can turn it into a real business.

I wouldn't be surprised to see his business pop up on HN's "Who wants to hire" thread.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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post #246

A couple of fun facts about this guy: His little ISP is AS267, which is a SHOCKINGLY low number. That's like.. the ISP equiv of a 4 digit slashdot id, or owning something like sodapop.com. He's also one of the authors of RFC 5575, which is a pretty big deal in the DDoS world.

My university’s is number 2; is there any significance to that?

Is your university among these? https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/...

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I greatly respect the initiative and scrappy-ness of someone doing this. And the legacy providers are clearly sitting on their monopoly position in a way that makes their pathetic alternative so starkly unattractive. But isn't it also true that once his network grows above a certain customer base (and gets into the maintenance phase), he will start to see all the effects that eat into being able to do this cheaply? N…

In Minneapolis there is a local fiber provider which charges about the same for the same level of fiber connectivity. I think it's pretty sustainable.

It looks like his revenue is going to be $50k/mo in not so long and that's more than enough to have a couple of people willing to work on an as-needed hourly rate and to cover whatever issues come up.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Whoever says that never met one and isn't one of them. It's so obvious once you see it

I’ve met people other people called 10x engineers. Once you looked soberly at the development process that illusion has faded every time. Part of the problem with the myth is that as originally formulated it’s meant to be between your worst and best engineer, and whoever came up with that idea is an idiot, inattentive, sheltered, or all three. Why? Because the worst engineers help the team by calling in sick. They ha…

Absolutely, all your points are spot on, I just call it 10x engineering because it's way easier than having to articulate the whole:

"Developer who is fortunate enough to be competent, in a structure with minimal comms overhead, high autonomy and no dead weight"

...and it tends to kickstart some good discussion on the topic as a whole.

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