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Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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This seems like a fun project to work on but what is the financial game here? Does he invest in building the network, operate at a loss and then sell to someone like Comcast? I assume building a remote fiber network that can reach 600 houses has to incur huge CapEx (way more than $2.6M right?) and at $50/mo a very long payback period. However it works, pretty awesome project, kudos.

People in tech tend to forget that proper tech doesn't actually need 100s of engineers to keep it operational. That's the whole point of a computer. It does what you programmed it to do, and it does so automatically.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served This doesn't seem very efficient to me.

It's funny because he said one of the houses needed 0.5 miles of cable. My jaw dropped when he said it would only be $30K for that. I'm speaking as someone who has had a few hundred foot trenches dug in my yard for running cable. Extrapolating it to 0.5 miles would come out to a lot more than $30K.

Surely with utility plans you can just use a mole? Dig a few trenches and just use a mole to go between them. No need to dig the entire length. I'm pretty sure this is what utility companies use in the Uk if they can't drag the utility through the existing duct/pipe. Imaging installing fibre to a neighbour and having to dig up every single pavement/road to do this.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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The resources of this country are to be allocated for the benefit of its citizens. In other words, it is our money, and we can spend it on decent internet for rural areas. Lack of internet access is disenfranchising when numerous necessary government and school services has been moved online.

>The resources of this country are to be allocated for the benefit of its citizens. Sounds like a great idea! When can we get started?

What do you think roads are?

Snark aside, I spent years being angry about every government subsidy until I learned that some subsidies are pork barrel spending and some are just the normal allocations required by a functioning government to maintain the expected standard of living.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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He's been a backbone guy since the the mid-1990s.

pc literally said he was not talking about this guy, can’t win I guess

The way it was written, it left many of us wondering what the answer to the question was, though.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Well there three tiers of ISPs, each one buying service from the one above them. It's ISPs all the way down, and the higher up you go the more expensive the hardware to run it gets.

I feel like this could be made into an ISP Tycoon game.

It actually does exist lol! Made by Cisco as an e-learning tool

Gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foa34qoRzjs

https://web.archive.org/web/20150317144142/https://cisco.edu...

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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The point of taxes is to provide collective goods, such as infrastructure, defense, education. One of the first thing the US's founders did was create the postal service, which was to provide mail service to everyone, regardless of location; it literally costs the same to mail a letter across the street as to send it to some house in Whoknowswhere, Alaska. This provides a minimum communications infrastructure. One of…

I'm saying to allocate budget to maximize as much as possible the public/global interest. Yes it's nicer to have optic fiber, but this is somewhat luxury if Starlink exists, and if the gov funds it already. I'm sure some other people in the US need more these 30'000 USD than optic fiber to watch Netflix with a little less buffering. Budget could be used somewhere else (to build roads, or to support medicine/health, e…

My parents currently have four options for Internet access. One is only on their phones with no tethering. The other is to dial in over a landline at 33.6k if they can find an ISP that still offers that. There's existing satellite, which is 512k down and like 25k up for hundreds a month. Or there's a wireless 256k plan that costs $2000 to install.

There's no ISDN, no DSL, no Starlink yet, no 5G fixed, no 4G fixed, no power-line Internet. They are not watching any Netflix, and things like Social Security and Medicare are increasingly accessed through poorly performing, bloated websites. They paid taxes more than five decades of full-time work. There's fiber within two miles of them, but nobody's used it to extend what's becoming a modern necessity to their house.

If they lived on the other side of the road, they'd have the area's rural electric cooperative. Then they could get at least 10 Mbps over the power lines. However, they're on a corporate power provider that has 4 to 12 hour outages 3 to 4 times a year besides not offering similar additional services.

With the right negotiations and a few hundred thousand dollars, their moderately densely populated unincorporated area could serve hundreds of homes with broadband. The cable and phone companies were given millions upon millions of subsidies every month for decades now for rural phone and Internet access, but have not served this area. It's time something else is done in these areas to give them the same access to the modern marketplace and to government services as everyone else.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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This is literally how societies function - you contribute a small amount to the general pool, you use small amounts from the general pool. In some cases bigger chunks go for bigger works like ISPs or bridges. I certainly hope you don't want a world where every road, bridge and traffic light is independently owned.

Well, there is a lot of legal graft in society

Dont drive on roads I guess? Would hate to be apart of graft.
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