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Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served This doesn't seem very efficient to me.

To say the least, it's more about siphoning public taxes

He's actually connecting hundreds of people that otherwise wouldn't have such access to fiber. The big ISPs took WAY more money [0] and delivered less.

[0] https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I'm going to put my hand up and say I have absolutely no idea how an ISP works. He runs cables to each house in the area... now where does the other end go?

Depending on how close they are he could run cables (ethernet) or fiber. Single mode fiber can go 10km according to some Ubiquiti spec sheets I found on google. Ubiquiti also sells AirMax products that can do PTP or PTMP over the air, although some will be affected by rain. They could even rent space from a radio/cell tower. There are probably a decent amount of other products out there I am only familiar with Ubiquiti.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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A couple of fun facts about this guy: His little ISP is AS267, which is a SHOCKINGLY low number. That's like.. the ISP equiv of a 4 digit slashdot id, or owning something like sodapop.com. He's also one of the authors of RFC 5575, which is a pretty big deal in the DDoS world.

can somebody ELI5? what is this code mean? what is RFC 5575?

RFCs are Requests for Comments, which are what are considered potential standards in the technical world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_Comments

Here's this one:

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5575.html

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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A couple of fun facts about this guy: His little ISP is AS267, which is a SHOCKINGLY low number. That's like.. the ISP equiv of a 4 digit slashdot id, or owning something like sodapop.com. He's also one of the authors of RFC 5575, which is a pretty big deal in the DDoS world.

can somebody ELI5? what is this code mean? what is RFC 5575?

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From https://startyourownisp.com/posts/fiber-provider/ , doesn't this site basically say connect to another ISP?

Well there three tiers of ISPs, each one buying service from the one above them. It's ISPs all the way down, and the higher up you go the more expensive the hardware to run it gets.

At the T1 level it's more completely a mesh type setup, but even lower tier ISPs might set up peering agreements to bypass their main higher tier ISP where it makes sense for cost or service quality reasons. Or refuse to to extract more money as in the comcast vs level1 disputes over netflix traffic a while back

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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This seems like a fun project to work on but what is the financial game here? Does he invest in building the network, operate at a loss and then sell to someone like Comcast? I assume building a remote fiber network that can reach 600 houses has to incur huge CapEx (way more than $2.6M right?) and at $50/mo a very long payback period.

However it works, pretty awesome project, kudos.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From https://startyourownisp.com/posts/fiber-provider/ , doesn't this site basically say connect to another ISP?

Well there three tiers of ISPs, each one buying service from the one above them. It's ISPs all the way down, and the higher up you go the more expensive the hardware to run it gets.

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> Comcast once told him it would charge $50,000 to extend its cable network to his house—and that he would have gone with Comcast if they only wanted $10,000. Starts his own company and finds out it costs $30,000 to do it. You need big trucks, drills, excavating equipment, skilled union workers making good wages, safety concerns around water, gas, sewer, electrical and other communication lines, you can't mess up peo…

The correct price in cities is $10 a month. The correct price in rural areas is $500 a month plus. But we have to average them because we insist on taxing cities to subsidise rural lifestyles...

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I'm going to put my hand up and say I have absolutely no idea how an ISP works. He runs cables to each house in the area... now where does the other end go?

There is a very good Ars Technica article on how an ISP works. It traces the whole network, from submarine cable through to last mile into a house. It was written in 2016, but I imagine it's still relevant:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/how-t...

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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This seems like a fun project to work on but what is the financial game here? Does he invest in building the network, operate at a loss and then sell to someone like Comcast? I assume building a remote fiber network that can reach 600 houses has to incur huge CapEx (way more than $2.6M right?) and at $50/mo a very long payback period. However it works, pretty awesome project, kudos.

If I were really rich, I would spend a gigantic amount of money for the sole purpose of fucking over Comcast.
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