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U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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Heat pumps are 2 to 4 times more efficient, and if you are in MA you can get upto a $10,000 rebate and 0% loan when purchasing a heatpump. Why would you stick with oil heat? Even if it drops to $2 it will be much cheaper to have a heatpump.

In MA you are paying through the nose on labor to install though. That rebate evaporates pretty quickly, still a 5 figure job.

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Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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So the year over year CPI increase each month this year (starting from January) was 7.5%, 7.9%, 8.5%, 8.3%, 8.6%, 9.1%, 8.5%. So this value has been jumping around a bit as it has been going up. This drop is being taken as good news -- but I worry whether this is really a meaningful drop or whether we are just over interpreting what could be a fundamentally noisy metric?

Corn seems to be a good leading indicator here[1]. Cash bids were $4 in 2019, $5 in 2020, $6 in 2021, $7 at the start of 2022, $9 when the war in Ukraine broke out, down to $8 in June, and now at $7.50 where it has remained stable at since the beginning of July. Which suggests that things are indeed slowing. [1] Which likely ends up being a proxy for oil, but as a farmer I watch food commodities much more closely.

How much corn are you getting for $9?

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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Seems like EV uptake rate, while still just a fraction of total sales, is probably high enough to contribute to demand destruction. Gas prices have come down pretty fast. I wonder if EV adoption goes fast enough that we'll see a period of time when gas prices just crater for a while. A sweet spot of owning an ICE vehicle, but then gas stations will start to close up and ICEV owners could face the same problem EV owne…

EVs are ~1% of cars and ~5% of new car sales. It seems like we have another 5 years until those scale effects start to really kick in.

I agree, it will take some time for EVs to really take off. And the dynamics are difficult to predict. If even 5% of cars become electric, it will really move the needle on the retail gas pricing, which might slow EV adoption, etc. I expect it might go in waves. Although EVs have such a dramatic running cost advantage that as capital costs and range anxieties are addressed, the adoption rate will probably be supply limited for years.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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Core inflation is +5.9% YoY (lower than expectations) I expect the Fed to declare "mission accomplished" via a 50 bps hike in September if the Aug CPI print is lower.

Aren't they in "data dependent" mode?

From Powell's recent FOMC press conference:

>So what are we going to be looking at? You know, we’ll be looking at the incoming data, as I mentioned, and that’ll start with economic activity. Are we seeing the slowdown that we — the slowdown in economic activity that we think we need, and there is some evidence that we are at this time.

Economic activity data is likely to continue to worsen between now and the September FOMC meeting, so I believe there's a high likelihood that they are opting for +50 bps rather than +75 bps.

This would signal that we are getting close to the end of the tightening cycle. You can see it in the price of risk assets today after the CPI data release - everything is up (markets are forward looking).

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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It's a relief to see actual price drops in fuel and transport services hit before the end of the Summer travel season. Barring additional oil disruption, we can hope to see other prices (e.g. food) correct -- or at least stop growing so fast -- at a lag.

Prices are sticky, food prices won't be coming down much, if at all. It's not a constant consumer market fluctuation like oil/gas.

Competition for food sales is pretty high though. If sales go down, or someone sees a chance to take market share, prices will come down.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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My experience is that prices went 100% - 150% up. Things I care about went double, no amount of statistics engineering can change this fact. Fuel prices along, while it came down a little, they are still way high.

Yet theres ppl, even on this thread that claims your views are conspiracy theory, that you are lying about what you saw.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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It is interesting, at best, aggravating mostly, that folks are still adamant that we can apply the heuristics of the past to conditions in the present. Evidence suggests we cannot. Governments, government bodies and other vested interests around the globe are covertly managing (taking liberties with the "numbers"?) the downward spiral in order to maintain some semblance of control and not have everything derail too q…

While I don't doubt that governments like to bias the numbers, if they are doing it this year to convince us we have no inflation issue, they are doing it very poorly.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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Unless they just redefined inflation. I'll believe it when the prices stop jumping. Also, given that the government is ultimately responsible here. And we pay taxes to the government. You'd think they might cut us some slack on that. Having fucked up and all.

That is not happening unfortunately, ever. They are hiring more people in IRS to shake down working people.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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So the year over year CPI increase each month this year (starting from January) was 7.5%, 7.9%, 8.5%, 8.3%, 8.6%, 9.1%, 8.5%. So this value has been jumping around a bit as it has been going up. This drop is being taken as good news -- but I worry whether this is really a meaningful drop or whether we are just over interpreting what could be a fundamentally noisy metric?

I suspect a noticeable part of the drop was a decrease in ocean freight rates. Down about 30% from peak, but still about 3 times higher than 2 years ago. I'd expect them to drop by another 30-50% over the next year, that should help a bit.

Re: U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5%

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The inflation on food due to high fuel and fertilizer prices won’t really kick in until October -> February during harvest. Next year food will be far higher, largely due to - people skipping fertilizer a second year in a row - the feed price increases from year prior will impact next years meat - much of the cow herds have been reduced due to hay prices skyrocketing (but beef rates staying far lower, due to sell off…

I'm not trying to be glib or intentionally controversial, but: is this a "market correction" for beef not really being as sustainable at recent consumption levels? Is it a bad thing if beef becomes significantly more expensive?

Not to pull the "facts don't care about feelings" card... but markets don't care about long-term sustainability so long as medium-term growth can be expected. Such a correction for unsustainable markets will eventually come, but not on a timescale relevant to current events.

I don't personally think rising beef prices are an issue, though. Nobody is going to starve because they're being priced out of a steak. I will be more concerned if we eventually begin to run short of beef-alternatives, though.

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