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Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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At $55/mo, he'll start making a profit in 45 years.

From the article: he had $2.6MM in help from the "American Rescue Plan's Coronavirus State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds". He's being paid by the government to bring Internet access to homes in the state that aren't currently wired for it.

That bill and these types of projects are basically why we have 10% inflation now.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Not sure if it’s what the person in question did, but there’s a whole guide that pops up on here occasionally regarding building a wireless ISP. https://startyourownisp.com/

I can't find any section of that guide that talks about peering or whatever ISPs are supposed to do to connect to the broader internet. Do you see any step that explains this?

It's the 2nd step

https://startyourownisp.com/posts/fiber-provider/

If you just Google then it's usually called leased or dedicated internet

Just some (US) examples

https://www.business.att.com/products/att-dedicated-internet...

https://business.comcast.com/learn/internet/dedicated-intern...

https://www.verizon.com/business/products/internet/internet-...

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I'm going to put my hand up and say I have absolutely no idea how an ISP works. He runs cables to each house in the area... now where does the other end go?

Not sure if it’s what the person in question did, but there’s a whole guide that pops up on here occasionally regarding building a wireless ISP. https://startyourownisp.com/

From https://startyourownisp.com/posts/fiber-provider/, doesn't this site basically say connect to another ISP?

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> Comcast once told him it would charge $50,000 to extend its cable network to his house—and that he would have gone with Comcast if they only wanted $10,000. Starts his own company and finds out it costs $30,000 to do it. You need big trucks, drills, excavating equipment, skilled union workers making good wages, safety concerns around water, gas, sewer, electrical and other communication lines, you can't mess up peo…

> Starts his own company and finds out it costs $30,000 to do it.

There are two homes that are a half mile away from the others. The $30k number relates to those two properties.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served This doesn't seem very efficient to me.

If utilities are underground, it can be pretty expensive to install anything. I have an estimate for municipal fiber that's about that much to get fiber a mile or two down the street overhead, and then about that much to go down my driveway underground 400 feet. It's hard to justify when the local phone company is probably going to roll out fiber in the next few years without a direct charge, at least for the portion…

Wow, have you considered buying some conduit and renting a trenching machine and giving the driveway portion a go yourself? Might be worth talking over that option with the muni fiber people. Though sounds like the overhead portion would still be $$$.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> Comcast once told him it would charge $50,000 to extend its cable network to his house—and that he would have gone with Comcast if they only wanted $10,000. Starts his own company and finds out it costs $30,000 to do it. You need big trucks, drills, excavating equipment, skilled union workers making good wages, safety concerns around water, gas, sewer, electrical and other communication lines, you can't mess up peo…

Its so expensive that Comcast only made a profit of 42 Billion in 2021, while providing a lower quality of service than what a small ISP in Michigan can give you for a one time 2M in government grants.

The little guy in Michigan also doesn't own the NBC broadcasting network, theme parks... Comcast didn't make $42B off it's cable subscribers.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't find any section of that guide that talks about peering or whatever ISPs are supposed to do to connect to the broader internet. Do you see any step that explains this?

It's the 2nd step https://startyourownisp.com/posts/fiber-provider/ If you just Google then it's usually called leased or dedicated internet Just some (US) examples https://www.business.att.com/products/att-dedicated-internet... https://business.comcast.com/learn/internet/dedicated-intern... https://www.verizon.com/business/products/internet/internet-...

So they're leasing ("buying"?) fiber from the same ISPs they're trying to displace and relying on that payment to provide them with continued internet access? This doesn't sound like a real first-class ISP, but something akin to an MVNO where they're at the mercy of the same companies they're competing with. I get the initial sale might seem fine, and the established ISPs might be fine with this as long as the company is small, but why wouldn't these companies shut them off (or raise the prices, etc.) when they grow too big to become dangerous?

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: he had $2.6MM in help from the "American Rescue Plan's Coronavirus State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds". He's being paid by the government to bring Internet access to homes in the state that aren't currently wired for it.

That bill and these types of projects are basically why we have 10% inflation now.

Damn, this project is even hurting me in the UK then because we're also at 10%. Curse you Jared.
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