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Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by salmo »

skrtskrt wrote: post #68
ASalazarMX wrote: post #67

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Hugo ( https://gohugo.io ) maybe? I tried it for a small static site about internal documentation, and I'm very glad I did. The hardest part was reading the documentation, the installation, content generation and rebuilds were painless.

The hardest part of Hugo for me was creating my theme from scratch (docs are eh on this but I found some good 3rd party tutorials) but after that it's been an absolute breeze. After spending a little time understanding Go templating it is really beautiful

Totally agree on this. Took me a bit to wrap my head around it vs other templating I’ve used.

Also figuring out the variable structure took me a bit, but now the docs make sense to me.

My theme is super simple. A few templates, 1 CSS file, and a tiny amount of vanilla JS. I just let Hugo + CSS do most of the lifting.

I think some folks have had bad experiences with themes that layer a JS framework on Hugo, though. That may be a better case for a completely JS ecosystem.

There’s a lot of good options. That’s a good problem to have. Just use what you like, I guess.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by omnimus »

pembrook wrote: post #26

Is there a static site generator out there that doesn't require a ridiculous build process every time I do an update? Inevitably, when a new "hot" SSG comes on the scene, I try it, and then go back to compare it to the old "hot" SSG from 2 years ago. Yet, I can never get the old test site I set up running again without massive annoyances. This has happened multiple times. As far as I'm concerned, there's zero reason…

Flat file CMSes usualy make far better SSGs than anything else. Like Kirby CMS or Grav.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by robertwt7 »

CharlesW wrote: post #10

I'm looking at https://docs.astro.build/en/concepts/why-astro/ and I still can't tell what's interesting and unique about this as compared to other options in this space. I acknowledge that this might be a PEBKAC situation, but I'd love to hear thoughts from people who used Next.js, Remix, or whatever and found Astro to be a revelation. It seems like Astro's creators believe "content-focused" is a differentiator, but…

I feel you, tbh as someone who has NextJS as my main tools, it's hard enough to choose Remix or Redwood as a starter project, when I needed backend it's either Django or Spring boot from time to time.

Not really sure when to play around with these new frameworks if it's not giving me enough reason to switch, especially since they're not adopted in big tech companies it makes it harder to justify the usage when I want to build somethjing

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by xpe »

Publishing with a SSG is so complex (and for many good reasons, as other comments mention). When anything gets this this complex, I pine for an end to end optimization targeting simplicity.

And I don't think the static site generator is the driving force for complexity here. The web ecosystem really seems nuts when you step back. When it comes to publishing on the web, I would really like to see something simpler gain traction.

Browsers are both amazing and amazingly complicated. I would like to see the 80/20 rule applied to see what comes after HTML -- maybe a reboot for 2023?

Surely I'm missing something that already exists?

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by mateomorris »

ijustwanttovote wrote: post #81

If you are trying to "flip" websites, SSG isn't the way to go. I created websites with my own SSG using Javascript, Eleventy, Nuxt, Next. But when I create a website now, I got to stick with Wordpress because they are easier to sell and non tech people can use it.

Check out Primo. Still in Alpha but very promising for that use-case.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by zebracanevra »

eins1234 wrote: post #17
foofoobar wrote: post #9

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Netlify recently changed their pricing structure, so if you are using Netlify CMS (or just Netlify Identity) with a private repo, every contributor to the repository (committer) will be charged as full pro seat. This can get really expensive if you have a few users working with the CMS (and thus committing content to the repository). We will move a few pages from Netlify now because of this change.

Also, found out the hard way that "Enterprise" pricing (i.e. call us and we'll charge you an opaque amount based on whatever we think you can afford pricing) starts at 7 users. Vercel is not much better at 10 users, and they hide it deep within their pricing table behind a tooltip so you're not likely to realize this until it's too late. Cloudflare Pages doesn't charge per user but limits concurrent builds which can…

You can use CF Pages with your own build infrastructure, it has "direct uploads" now. It's currently unlimited in the amount of deploys you can do a month. I don't think CF knows how to price it yet, so I wouldn't rely on this being free forever.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by tshaddox »

cercatrova wrote: post #122
tannhaeuser wrote: post #117

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Not getting it tbh. Why would you go nuclear and develop a React or Vue app and then not actually use it on the browser side? For content-oriented websites there are much simpler workflows based on SGML and other classic markup processing and content management practices. I mean the point of "content-oriented" and web sites in general really is that an expert in the field, rather than a web developer, can achieve use…

Developer experience writing React is much nicer than using other markup languages. That's why I use it at least, the fact that it spits out a fully JS-free website at the end is the icing on the top.

Nothing about the developer experience of React seems better than any old HTML template language (and hardly better even than plain HTML), if you're not doing any interactivity and are just going to render once and spit out the HTML.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by [deleted] »

pembrook wrote: post #26

Is there a static site generator out there that doesn't require a ridiculous build process every time I do an update? Inevitably, when a new "hot" SSG comes on the scene, I try it, and then go back to compare it to the old "hot" SSG from 2 years ago. Yet, I can never get the old test site I set up running again without massive annoyances. This has happened multiple times. As far as I'm concerned, there's zero reason…

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Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by cercatrova »

tshaddox wrote: post #137
cercatrova wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developer experience writing React is much nicer than using other markup languages. That's why I use it at least, the fact that it spits out a fully JS-free website at the end is the icing on the top.

Nothing about the developer experience of React seems better than any old HTML template language (and hardly better even than plain HTML), if you're not doing any interactivity and are just going to render once and spit out the HTML.

Have you used React before? It's miles above HTML templating. I honestly don't use frameworks that have regular templating anymore, like Vue or Svelte.

Re: Astro 1.0 – a web framework for building fast, content-focused websites

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Post by mateomorris »

xpe wrote: post #134

Publishing with a SSG is so complex (and for many good reasons, as other comments mention). When anything gets this this complex, I pine for an end to end optimization targeting simplicity. And I don't think the static site generator is the driving force for complexity here. The web ecosystem really seems nuts when you step back. When it comes to publishing on the web, I would really like to see something simpler gai…

That same thinking is what led me to build [Primo](https://github.com/primodotso/primo) - a SSG in a desktop/server CMS. It’s the only thing me or anyone I know who’s uses it uses to build normal websites anymore bc it’s so much faster to get a site up and easier to write code/content.
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