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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kramerger »

sunsetandlabrea wrote: post #38
kramerger wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Other than Android who is using RCS? Don't forget Android has over 80% world-wide market share.

This is like saying Windows is the standard operating system. My point still stands they are saying adopt our technology, but being disingenuous by calling it a standard. Besides that how many people are using WhatsApp instead on both iPhone and Android.

No, it is not. The RCS standards are managed by the GSMA.

It is supported by many companies, one of which is Google.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by altairprime »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #69
altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

Attestation is service that can only be provided by the builder of the phone. Most commercially available Android phones provide this, and banks and DRM rely on it. https://developer.android.com/training/safetynet/attestation and https://developer.android.com/google/play/integrity/overview

That API is not useful for anti-spam purposes, as individual devices cannot be banned for spamming by their serial number. Quoting that page:

> The API is not designed to fulfill the following use cases:

> Contain signals for app-specific use-cases, such as device identifiers

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by thiht »

lostgame wrote: post #17
obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

I miss XMPP :(

XMPP sucked, you guys have to stop bringing it out over and over again. Not having a common experience between clients because of that stupid « X » sucked. There’s an impossible to solve mismatch between XEPs supported by the clients and the servers.

XMPP is dead for reason, stop trying to bring it back

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by unethical_ban »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #61
obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

Google cannot legally ship, as part of Android, a carrier-agnostic messaging app like iMessage.

Could you elaborate? I've never heard this before.

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Post by thiht »

Veuxdo wrote: post #5
moizici wrote: post #2

Why would Apple fix something that do not affect Apple users ?

Per the article, they do affect iPhone users.

It doesn’t. Messages fallback to SMS when I talk to my parents or friends who don’t have an iPhone and… it works. I can send text, photos, etc. and it works. Some accusations are ridiculous, like how white on green is somehow illegible compared to white on blue? Come on.

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Post by pjmlp »

tinus_hn wrote: post #18
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people in Europe with our pre-pay SIM cards, having like 5 000 free SMS per month, minimum.

I have infinite free SMS per month and I uses less than 1 a month. In Europe everyone uses WhatsApp.

Except I know people that never touched WhatsApp, so no not everyone.

Also all my contacts on Balkan countries rather go with Viber, so, nope not everyone.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by dt2m »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

This is a great point which I haven't heard before in this age-old debate.

But until Apple's dominance starts to wane, there's no chance in hell they will provide iMessage for other platforms unless forced by regulation.

If push comes to shove, they can implement heuristics which run texts from non-Apple devices through a harder spam filter. Spam isn't non-existent on the iMessage network, and there already seems to be a rudimentary spam filter in place.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #74
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google cannot legally ship, as part of Android, a carrier-agnostic messaging app like iMessage.

Could you elaborate? I've never heard this before.

I've heard that since Android is the OS that 3rd parties use it could violate antitrust to include a Google branded chat-app. Apple does not distribute iOS so they can do whatever they want.

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Post by Zash »

lostgame wrote: post #17
obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

I miss XMPP :(

It's XMPP that misses you ;)

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by sunsetandlabrea »

kramerger wrote: post #71
sunsetandlabrea wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying Windows is the standard operating system. My point still stands they are saying adopt our technology, but being disingenuous by calling it a standard. Besides that how many people are using WhatsApp instead on both iPhone and Android.

No, it is not. The RCS standards are managed by the GSMA. It is supported by many companies, one of which is Google.

So where is it used except Android? With any market share that makes it significant beyond android?
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