“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” • Hacker News Board

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:12 PM UTC

obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

Google cannot legally ship, as part of Android, a carrier-agnostic messaging app like iMessage.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by alexandreb » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:21 PM UTC

bhandziuk wrote: post #55

sudden_dystopia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per experience, they do not. At least, they do not affect me in the slightest. Never had any of these alleged problems.

It affects them in that everytime an iPhone users text me a video I have to ask them to post it somewhere else so I can view it. The videos are so small and blurry I can never see what's happening in them. I[hone users are have unsent messages to android users without cell service which happens all the time and is confusing why some texts send and some don't and it's a function of the type of phone the receiving part…

You get a notification if your iPhone can't send the SMS, and a clear indication that it didn't send.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by drcongo » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:21 PM UTC

ypeterholmes wrote: post #52

drcongo wrote: post #42

This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. The company that has had 47 different messaging apps and changes them weekly trying to lecture the company that nailed it first time. Grow up Google.

But isn't the request for a cross platform standard? Sure Apple got their own internal standard right, but the experience across platforms still matters.

Doesn't matter to me, I have an iPhone. But regardless of personal experience, Google has tried and failed endlessly to make a not-shit messaging app for Android, and has now seemingly given up and adopted a terrible protocol, and is crowing about it like they're the saviour of messaging. They're not, they've just given up trying.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by nneonneo » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

Right now Apple is facing quite a lot of regulation in various places to open up their platform: open up app loading, open up repairs, etc. It’s hard not to imagine this being yet another salvo in forcing Apple to open up their messaging platform (and it aligns with recent regulatory efforts).

Except, unlike app stores and repairs, the standard being pushed here, RCS, is not a good solution by comparison. It’s locked to carriers, who have different and inconsistent implementations, rather than being tied to an identity like iMessage.

It’ll be a shame if Apple is forced to adopt an inferior standard here…

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by _23sd » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

obnauticus wrote: post #6

I would agree more if the RCS standard wasn’t also hot garbage… I would encourage anyone who is curious to read more about it. It’s taken so long to gain traction that it has also become somewhat legacy. Also, it still requires a carrier sponsored phone plan? How is this “modern” in comparison to say every other carrier agnostic messaging app in existence? Also this: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1480679515298…

>There are zero benefits to phone identity over email

I can think of one: most people’s email identity is subject to termination under Google’s ToS. Same thing with identity tied to Facebook or other social networks. In the US, your ability to take your phone number to a different carrier is protected by federal regulations.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #64

Right now Apple is facing quite a lot of regulation in various places to open up their platform: open up app loading, open up repairs, etc. It’s hard not to imagine this being yet another salvo in forcing Apple to open up their messaging platform (and it aligns with recent regulatory efforts). Except, unlike app stores and repairs, the standard being pushed here, RCS, is not a good solution by comparison. It’s locked…

This is about RCS vs. SMS. Apple and Google support SMS as a cross-platform standard. They should support RCS, which is superior.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by blooalien » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:37 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #63

ypeterholmes wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't the request for a cross platform standard? Sure Apple got their own internal standard right, but the experience across platforms still matters.

Doesn't matter to me, I have an iPhone. But regardless of personal experience, Google has tried and failed endlessly to make a not-shit messaging app for Android, and has now seemingly given up and adopted a terrible protocol, and is crowing about it like they're the saviour of messaging. They're not, they've just given up trying.

> "Google has tried and failed endlessly to make a not-shit messaging app for Android" …

Sadly, some would say that they've tried and succeeded multiple times to make a "not-shit messaging app for Android" and then promptly murdered each success just as it became popular.

> … "and has now seemingly given up and adopted a terrible protocol, and is crowing about it like they're the saviour of messaging."

Yeah, this seems to be pretty much the "standard model" for most "tech giants" these days. :(

> … "They're not, they've just given up trying."

On so many levels beyond just messaging. :(

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

Attestation is service that can only be provided by the builder of the phone. Most commercially available Android phones provide this, and banks and DRM rely on it. https://developer.android.com/training/safetynet/attestation and https://developer.android.com/google/play/integrity/overview

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by garciasn » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #63

ypeterholmes wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't the request for a cross platform standard? Sure Apple got their own internal standard right, but the experience across platforms still matters.

Doesn't matter to me, I have an iPhone. But regardless of personal experience, Google has tried and failed endlessly to make a not-shit messaging app for Android, and has now seemingly given up and adopted a terrible protocol, and is crowing about it like they're the saviour of messaging. They're not, they've just given up trying.

Exactly. They've positioned this as creating problems for iOS users; however, all of these items are frustrating for Android users, not the other way around.

They're preaching to the wrong choir.