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Re: Saskatoon Freezing Deaths

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree. For some inventions, such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. But then again, I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society. BTW, it's not just Inuit having high suicide rates: "Suicide among teens and young adults reaches highest lev…

> such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. What does this mean? Are you against psychedelics, but only if its time for lunch?

I read that as disdain for the repackaging of authentic experiences by relentless and impersonal capitalistic forces.

Psychedelic drugs are a paradigmatic example of "mind expansion", a concept that promises and threatens to allow individuals a broader perspective than that of the ego, the cog-in-the-machine, the member of society. Almost by definition, this is countercultural, or at least an expression of something that capitalism can't conquer.

But capitalism can sure try, via concepts like micro-dosing or doing entheogens with a therapist or "LSD-trips for your lunch break", which I think is probably a reductio ad absurdum.

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When I read about Inuit culture of non-violence in the 20th century [1], and wheb I read about them today [2], I have this disgusted feeling that Western culture of drugs and anger is like a virus that spread into their completely non-immunized population. A bit like the diseases brought into the new world in the 19th century, but this time psychological. [1] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283…

Lead posisoning was a disease the white man brought to the entire world.

Thomas J. Midgley, the inventor, perpetrator and chief apologist for leaded gasoline, also brought the world CFCs. Veritasium did a bit on him and was not kind. In fact he implied Midgley may have been the worst mass murderer in human history.

The other day I had a chilling thought, after a day with both gardening and another conversation with my friend whose estranged boomer mother is probably a narcissist: we know about lead poisoning and violence, but has anyone studied lead poisoning and narcissism?

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The treatment of native and african Americans in the North American continent is so unjust and severe, and has been persistent for decades in a way that it's almost like a long drawn-out genocide.

As someone else pointed out, it's been centuries not decades.

And it's not "almost like a long drawn-out genocide," it IS a long drawn-out genocide.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. What does this mean? Are you against psychedelics, but only if its time for lunch?

I read that as disdain for the repackaging of authentic experiences by relentless and impersonal capitalistic forces. Psychedelic drugs are a paradigmatic example of "mind expansion", a concept that promises and threatens to allow individuals a broader perspective than that of the ego, the cog-in-the-machine, the member of society. Almost by definition, this is countercultural, or at least an expression of something…

I think GP is just confused and meant DMT. edit: for context it is short lasting and known as the “businessman’s trip” because it genuinely fits in a lunch break.

Re: Saskatoon Freezing Deaths

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When I read about Inuit culture of non-violence in the 20th century [1], and wheb I read about them today [2], I have this disgusted feeling that Western culture of drugs and anger is like a virus that spread into their completely non-immunized population. A bit like the diseases brought into the new world in the 19th century, but this time psychological. [1] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283…

Fully agree. For some inventions, such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. But then again, I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society. BTW, it's not just Inuit having high suicide rates: "Suicide among teens and young adults reaches highest lev…

> I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society.

No society in history has ever had so much abundance as the West today. We've really moved up Maslows hierarchy beyond survival and safety towards needing meaning in our lives (more than what comes with doing the labor you need to survive).

I wonder if there's just not enough meaning in the world to go around and that's the cause of our society's malaise.

Re: Saskatoon Freezing Deaths

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree. For some inventions, such as LSD-trips for your lunch break, I truly wonder how people can be so f-ed up that they consider that a good idea. But then again, I see so many people with depressing faces every day, it's hard to deny that we have widespread psychological sanity issues in our society. BTW, it's not just Inuit having high suicide rates: "Suicide among teens and young adults reaches highest lev…

Our culture is going down the tubes. However, since the current systems benefits the .01% at the expense of the 99% its full speed ahead with no course correction.

Our system is highly beneficial to the top quarter roughly.

The median of that group has gotten significantly richer over 20 or 50 years and is better off in the US than they would be anywhere else in terms of wealth and scale (scale as in how many of them can reach that level of wealth and have access to the kind of economic opportunities that the US presents). Europe has nothing remotely like it, outside of small population nations like Norway or Switzerland (and you need to reach the top 10% there to be comparable). Wealth isn't everything? Correct, of course; the US culture is rotting rapidly, and devolving into predictable tribalism, an unavoidable result of government policy choices over the prior many decades.

If you can get into the top quarter in the US, use that position for all its worth. If you can't, it's not going to be a great existence unless you live in a nice college town or the equivalent.

However, the middle class (and the near groupings below or above that) across most of the developed world are facing a severe smashing, which will result in recurring French-like riots and protests in the decades to come. Most of affluent Europe hasn't seen consequential economic growth in two decades or more at this point. It's destroying their welfare systems gradually, weakening their social safety nets and loading their systems up with debt, just as their demographics are breaking. The huge French riots prior to the pandemic were one of the first big warning shots of what's coming. Japan, as another example, has seen a minimum of 1/3 of its standard of living wiped out over the past 20 years, and there's a lot more damage to come; the US and EU are both suffering from variations of Japanification economically (high debt, low dynamism, aged demographics, persistently mediocre productivity growth, low GDP growth, low GDP per capita growth, falling or stagnant standards of living for decades, struggling to allocate enough resources to the welfare state to maintain social promises, and so on).

Or take Germany as an example. They've had a remarkable - supposedly remarkable - economic run for decades now. Riding on an artificially weak currency (for their economy) which they've used to build up a freakishly abnormal export juggernaut. And yet their median net wealth figure is mediocre, below that of the US; their workers are not benefitting as they should be. And at this point Germany has seen net zero per capita economic expansion for coming up on 30 years. How long can that situation continue before something breaks? Not much longer I'd wager.

While the US is seeing many of the same problems, it's absolutely correct that it's better to live in cities in other affluent nations, rather than in the US. US cities are horrific by and large, with few exceptions.

Re: Saskatoon Freezing Deaths

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post #7

When I read about Inuit culture of non-violence in the 20th century [1], and wheb I read about them today [2], I have this disgusted feeling that Western culture of drugs and anger is like a virus that spread into their completely non-immunized population. A bit like the diseases brought into the new world in the 19th century, but this time psychological. [1] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674608283…

Lead posisoning was a disease the white man brought to the entire world. Thomas J. Midgley, the inventor, perpetrator and chief apologist for leaded gasoline, also brought the world CFCs. Veritasium did a bit on him and was not kind. In fact he implied Midgley may have been the worst mass murderer in human history. The other day I had a chilling thought, after a day with both gardening and another conversation with m…

I haven’t heard of this being looked into specifically, but IMO there could certainly be a plausible connection.

Adults exposed to lead as children have less brain volume in the prefrontal cortex and several other areas. It’s definitely not impossible that this could kickstart maladaptive cognitive patterns such as narcissism.

I found the following, from a WHO page about lead poisoning [1], particularly interesting:

“IHME also estimated that in 2019, lead exposure accounted for 62.5% of the global burden of developmental intellectual disability whose cause is not obvious.”

[1] https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/lead-poi...

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> According to the report, a "police spokeswoman acknowledged that the section on starlight tours had been deleted using a computer within the department, but said investigators were unable to pinpoint who did it." Can't even solve a case within their own dept, what's the hope for anyone else?

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