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Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by hackerlight »

dougmwne wrote: post #293
rullelito wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would this change anything? If I 'm not willing to do my job for the salary offered I have to change jobs. What is upsetting about this?

There absolutely nothing upsetting about that to the CEO of your company. I would expect the destruction of your lifetime of accumulated economic value at an age when you can’t possibly retrain to be able to support your previous lifestyle would be rather upsetting to you. Or if not then I would not call that a typical emotional response.

I would be upset, but that is separate to the question posed of whether we should be trying to innovate and automate. The answer is that innovation and productivity should be sought, even though it's understandably not fun for the people whose skills are being commoditized in the moment. At no point in history was it a good idea to purposefully stop innovation just to preserve some job that was about to be automated. The cumulative impact of jobs being automated and productivity is why we have such easy lives today.

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Post by mym1990 »

Swizec wrote: post #40
mym1990 wrote: post #22

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Just curious, is there any general number range for how much traffic a front page post might get? Less than 10k, 10-100,000, 100,000+, etc

I once frontpaged with a funny article that readers also shared with others. Back when people still did that instead of taking a screenshot. 1,000,000 uniques over 3 days in ~2011. I have been trying to re-create that high ever since, lol. Going viral is one hell of a drug.

Wow thats insane! I always think this is what going viral on social media is like, although I am probably better off not having experienced that.

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Post by xwdv »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #258
xwdv wrote: post #62

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It will never come for us. You think it will, but that’s because you don’t understand software. Pick any random Jira ticket for a large software project. Could an AI understand and implement that feature into a larger project? Can it correctly deploy it without interruptions to production jobs? Will it correctly implement tests and decent code coverage? If there are regressions will it know how to go in and fix them?…

A plane flies and is nothing like a bird. Most likely, the APP-E or GAME-E, given a prompt generate an application or game, will not generate C++/JavaScript/Swift/Kotlin but directly target the pixel space, running in a 60+ FPS loop a single "function" such as `nextFrame(currentState)`. It will probably be here in the next few years: write a prompt such as "2D game like Mario but with butterflies" and receive a 2GB b…

If we had such advanced AI we wouldn’t ask it to build programs, we would just tell it to do those computations directly. So instead of asking for an invoicing application, we’d just ask to generate an invoice to whatever parameters we need, and to remember the reusable data for next time.

Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by stainablesteel »

fiat_fandango wrote: post #308

I assume those who currently have access to DALL.E 2 are legally prevented from selling second-hand use of their access? I'm currently on the waitlist and I've been curious if there's any way to bill access like this as "design consulting" or something? Posts like this are absolutely fascinating!

is there a way to know for sure if something was generated by it?

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

xwdv wrote: post #313
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A plane flies and is nothing like a bird. Most likely, the APP-E or GAME-E, given a prompt generate an application or game, will not generate C++/JavaScript/Swift/Kotlin but directly target the pixel space, running in a 60+ FPS loop a single "function" such as `nextFrame(currentState)`. It will probably be here in the next few years: write a prompt such as "2D game like Mario but with butterflies" and receive a 2GB b…

If we had such advanced AI we wouldn’t ask it to build programs, we would just tell it to do those computations directly. So instead of asking for an invoicing application, we’d just ask to generate an invoice to whatever parameters we need, and to remember the reusable data for next time.

Sure, who knows. Although humans are allegedly bad with 7±2 parameters, hence a nice user interface is still required if humans are to be kept in the loop.

My point was that something like APP-E or GAME-E seems very plausible in the near future and it is more likely to render pixels with the underlying logic encoded in an inscrutable sparse matrix, somewhat the consequence of a beefier DALL-E with regard to the data set, the learning modalities, and the attention span, than to write programs to be compiled/interpreted by any current language stack.

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Post by saghm »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #109

>"While the role of the artist isn’t going away soon, the role of stock image sites might disappear. " Not, yet. While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want. Prices for stock images will collapse for the common quick to use images but the price for the specialized high end images will hold their value or even increase in value. Those historical and such images will…

OTOH, sometimes stock pictures made by humans aren't even that relevant if the entity using them is mostly just looking for filler: https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdwikihow/

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Post by alickz »

egypturnash wrote: post #177

God it’s so fucking depressing to see all you techies debating whether or not the skill I have dedicated my life to getting good enough at to earn a quiet, modest living with should be automated away or not. And insisting that surely your jobs are too special and complex for this to ever happen to you. At least I can take solace in the fact that for now these things aren’t gonna be taking a bite out of the furry art…

i feel for ya mate, i can see it coming for me too

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Post by hnbad »

9dev wrote: post #226
zarzavat wrote: post #218

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Nobody knows whether or not training a NN is fair use. If it were ruled to be not fair use then it would basically shut down a large chunk of ML research in the US, as it's not just Copilot that is training on copyrighted data. All the large language models require copyrighted data such as web crawls as there is just not enough public domain material around. So even if you are right, and courts rule that training is…

„Dad, Dad! Can you give me your gun? I want to shoot myself in my foot!“ - „Oh no, why would you ever want to do this?!“ - „the neighbours are doing it too!“ - „oh, alrighty then!“ I swear, world politics and economics isn’t much different from that, intellectually….

The problem with this analogy is that the companies are large enough to have leverage over the legal system to likely be able to avoid any consequences. Even if case law eventually rules in favor of the original copyright holders of the training data, it's the customers of the ML companies who would most likely be directly liable for infringement, not the ML companies themselves (though the customers could then try to sue them for damages).

Since there is no legal precedent and the law itself isn't clear about this use case, it's basically a huge gamble on a legal gray area at this point. For VCs the risk doesn't really matter as ML startups only need to exist long enough to provide an exit with high ROI and for enterprise companies it doesn't matter as ML products are just one of many ventures for them.

It's worth noting that unlike Germany, where book and newspaper publishers have won rather unusual copyright claims against companies like Google, in the US the big publishing industries to worry about are movies and music, and most ML projects right now seem to focus on generating images or text rather than music or video. If "AI generated music" caught on like DALL-E 2 did, I think we'd see a lot more contention over how copyright law applies to ML training data.

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Post by fiat_fandango »

stainablesteel wrote: post #314
fiat_fandango wrote: post #308

I assume those who currently have access to DALL.E 2 are legally prevented from selling second-hand use of their access? I'm currently on the waitlist and I've been curious if there's any way to bill access like this as "design consulting" or something? Posts like this are absolutely fascinating!

is there a way to know for sure if something was generated by it?

Provably better than 80% of fiverr "artists" ;)
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