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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

senttoschool wrote: post #269
senttoschool wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also note that Cinebench R23 is a terrible general purpose CPU benchmark. It uses Intel Embree engine which is hand optimized for x86. It heavily favors CPUs with many slow cores even though most people will benefit from CPUs with fewer, faster cores. Cinebench is a great benchmark if you use Cinema4D, which I asumme 99.99% of the people buying these laptops won't use. Cinema4D is a niche of a niche. Geekbench is far…

To clarify, Cinebench correlates poorly with gaming, office software, web browsing, and video editing. Those are what the vast majority of people buying laptops will use it for. For people that code, it also correlates poorly with parallel code compilation.

Anandtech benchmark puts Intel 12900K on top for both RISCV toolchain compilation and Cinebench.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jvanderbot »

stewbrew wrote: post #22

What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?

I'd like to point out that Intel allows you to tune the cores for whatever profile you want. Sure, it's not "same performance, less noise", but you can get something like an 80/20 (80% performance, 20% noise) by just scaling back the core frequencies a little. I tune my intel machine down to 8x3.2 Ghz, and can run without fans (on small form factor PC), but sometimes want the full 4+Ghz, but it's loud.

This can be done application-specific, so when you launch a big game or something, it'll spin cores up to max frequency, for example.

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Post by gabrielhidasy »

Spooky23 wrote: post #254
newman314 wrote: post #198

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Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

Probably because with work at home there’s no WOL. We disabled sleep to improve battery life and address a personal safety issue. There are many failure scenarios between various builds of Windows 10 and shitty drivers. Devices often wake up in bags and spin up fans until dead. Normal scenario is that the battery is dead in the morning. In one case, it melted the compartment material in a bag and was deemed a safety…

So now instead all devices can keep their fans on and melt compartment material bag as nobody would assume the device is that dumb to not sleep when closed. Much better.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by _odey »

_odey wrote: post #151

Maybe I'm spoiled, but it feels like an article like this would have turned out way better if they contracted Michael Larabel from Phoronix to do an in depth benchmark run with both versions of the laptop comparing multiple type of workloads, temperature, performance per watt (or if they would have used the full Phoronix test suite themselves). Although there is nothing wrong with the current one, it feels a bit... s…

Something a little like this:

https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m2-linux

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by [deleted] »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by brailsafe »

varispeed wrote: post #220
brailsafe wrote: post #204

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I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.

As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans…

I've never used Linux daily, always macOS or osx, but all the same tooling probably day to day and the M series will be a no-brainer upgrade when it comes time. I would like some more colours that aren't super fingerprinty in the pro line though. Pretty bored of silver and grey

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by [deleted] »

CA0DA wrote: post #285

I'm not sure why the Framework laptop is getting so much credit for being upgradable - the main board upgrade ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mog6T9Rd93I ) seems to be an identical process as my Dell Precision 5530.

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by sudosysgen »

voltagex_ wrote: post #197
zmmmmm wrote: post #191

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Irony being, one of the biggest benefits for me of the M1 power consumption is that it can run quiet and smooth even with all the corporate spyware on there. It can even run MS teams along side that and docker too which also permanently consumers 100% of one core, while still staying completely silent. It's crazy to think you have these opposing teams of engineers, the Apple ones working away to optimise like crazy t…

Why is Docker's VM not idling?

Because macOS. It's not a container, it's a full on VM.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by mastax »

devwastaken wrote: post #70
nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. Very different from the goals of framework. There aren't any vendors offering M1 competitors either.

AMD's laptop CPUs are also "everything in one chip." Intel still has a separate chipset die on the package as far as I can tell.
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