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Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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This isn't really the solution we were looking for Matt. Can we replace the + operator with something else? How about¬? We don't use that very often to the point I don't even know what it's called, but it's there on the keyboard in one keypress.

Not on US keyboards, I don't think.

Depends on your OS. ¬ is a quick alt+l on any Mac. However, it's the symbol for logical negation[1], and thus probably not a great substitute for +.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%AC

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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Matt, do you know if there are any plans to once again allow the mixing of exact match with the regular fuzzier search functionality? It's great to have exact matching back, but I often found it a useful strategy to build the search loosely, then refine with +specifics. Perhaps something like this, in exact match mode: ~run ~sprint ~hurdle nike could be the equivalent of the old: run sprint hurdle +nike

Isn't run sprint hurdle "nike" what you want?

Yes, and of course that works fine. It's just the ease of using an inline prefix to modify the term, rather than enclosing it in quotes. We're mourning the loss of the +.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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Today's 0.5% is tomorrows 95.5%. It just takes time. It is the so-called power users who lead the way for everyone else. Doing away with a traditional boolean operator for the sake of marketing (of a copycat "social network" website no less) is not the sign of a company with a clear, intelligent vision. But time will tell who is the wiser.

Actually, usage of the + operator has been in steady decline for years. With Altavista you had to use + to require a word. When I started at Google, many many more queries had tons of pluses.

Google's demographic was much more tech-savvy in the early years, but as we've struck partnerships with companies like AOL, the population of people searching on Google has become broader. I don't believe that 95.5% of users will be searching with + or double-quotes any time soon. But for the power users like people on HN, they now have an extra option that allows better slicing/dicing of search results.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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Wow 2/3rds of people use it wrong. That surprised me.

On the other hand, the post tries to pretend that this had nothing to do with +username or +brand and Google+.

No, it's the users, it's their fault, not our new product naming boo boo. We'll just silently break our flagship product and hope no-one notices.

Blame the customer seems a bad strategy.

Just wish they'd man up and admit it. Even if it's really not the reason, because that's the belief on the internet. It's times like this that remind me how Google really doesn't get customer service.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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Today's 0.5% is tomorrows 95.5%. It just takes time. It is the so-called power users who lead the way for everyone else. Doing away with a traditional boolean operator for the sake of marketing (of a copycat "social network" website no less) is not the sign of a company with a clear, intelligent vision. But time will tell who is the wiser.

Actually, usage of the + operator has been in steady decline for years. With Altavista you had to use + to require a word. When I started at Google, many many more queries had tons of pluses. Google's demographic was much more tech-savvy in the early years, but as we've struck partnerships with companies like AOL, the population of people searching on Google has become broader. I don't believe that 95.5% of users wil…

You seem to be suggesting that Google's new demographic will never become more tech savvy or at least not "any time soon".

That's an interesting view.

I'm just a bit more optimistic.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really the solution we were looking for Matt. Can we replace the + operator with something else? How about¬? We don't use that very often to the point I don't even know what it's called, but it's there on the keyboard in one keypress.

I'll pass the feedback on. Part of the issue with + is that it turned out a lot of people were mistyping queries with + when as far as we could tell, they weren't trying to match an exact word. Getting further off the beaten path with a more rare character might help though.

Exclamation point? (!this !word !exactly, !darnit!) Or a double exclamation point if that's still too common...

It really was nice to be able to control which words were verbatim and which weren't. Quotes are perfectly logical but just a pain to retrofit onto a query you're refining.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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too little too late?

It's hidden into the prefs when I'd liked it always on, on any device I use without having it tied to a specific account or anything.

I switched to ddg for regular and advanced queries, and use google for all the fuzzy stuff or very specific queries. It's still easier than to care about the verbatim setting.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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What if you just want some words verbatim? You'd just use +word right? Oh wait.

No, now you would use double quotes. So instead of searching for [hacker news ck2] you'd search for [hacker news "ck2"] to require the exact word "ck2". But remember, that could match anchortext pointing to the page. You can use "intext:" to require a match on the page.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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> we’re also applying similar ideas directly to our algorithms, such as tuning the accuracy of when our query broadening search improvements trigger

As you are doing this, please keep in mind that when you incorrectly broaden my query, and there is no immediately obvious way to re-narrow it, it costs you much more than you gain each time you correctly broaden my query.

Re: Google adds verbatim search mode for your exact search terms

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And, of course, the "search for what I actually fucking typed" mode is completely undiscoverable, hidden behind another click, and which can't be defaulted into. This is a good bandaid, but is still a bandaid. I have still switched away from Google to a search engine that will actually search for what I told it to, not one that thinks it can guess my meaning. (Not to mention one that doesn't wrap all the outgoing URL…

What search engine do you use now, out of curiosity?
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