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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by aetherspawn »

philliphaydon wrote: post #129
aetherspawn wrote: post #98

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It can depend more on the graphics card(s) and the chassis type than the CPU. For example if the Lenovo is a P15 and you’re comparing it to a Dell Latitude, then yeah duh.

The Lenovo Laptops I have are Legion 7 2021 (5800H / 3070), X1 Extreme Gen 1 (8th gen / 1050ti) vs Dell XPS 15 (12700 / 3050ti) Both Lenovos are rock solid, not laggy or stuttery. But I had a Dell XPS 15 (2020) model from work, I gave it back because idling in Windows made the fans spin... I got a newer Dell XPS 15 (2022) for work (new job) and its great, but its stuttery and the fans spin under light loads. (the scr…

Yes the XPS series is a bit of a cooling nightmare but for example the Precision 3000/7000 series are quite a different story.

(We have around 10 assorted Dell laptops from all the different models and we don’t like the XPS much by comparison, and wouldn’t ever buy another. Aside from thermal issues, for whatever reason the XPS drivers are very beta and always crashing compared with the Precision series which is just rock solid)

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by adament »

alt227 wrote: post #255
aeyes wrote: post #249

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> I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy I guess I'll have to add this to my questions to ask at job interviews. Admins like you these days sure try to make our lives as horrible as possible. Corporate anti-virus, DNS interception and policies like these turn my machine into something I constantly want to throw out the window. All because you are too lazy to ask a person to reboot if the machin…

Youve taken a lot of liberties and assumptions with my post here. I dont do any of those things you mentioned, only enforce a nightly shutdown. Nothing to do with laziness. As other people have often mentioned on HN, in the real world of understaffed underbudget corporate IT you need to do what you can to enforce things which make everybodies life easier.

It does not make everybodys lives easier, it makes your life easier by easing the support burden at the cost of making the lives of those who have to live with those policies (marginally?) harder (or more annoying). It is quite a bold claim that those of us who do not shut down our laptops every night have no reason to do so, and you know better than us that it would come with no additional cost to us to do so.

It might very well be that it is preferable to the organization as a whole to sacrifice a bit of productivity everywhere for less burden on IT. But IMHO it should not be a decision which the IT department can make in isolation.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by smoldesu »

lostlogin wrote: post #115
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #95

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Man, the heating on my MacBook is insane. I have a Thinkpad with on board Nvidia card, beefy CPU, etc, and it can play gfx intense games at 4k and still sit in my lap comfortably. Meanwhile my MacBook from work gets risking-burns-hot from just screensharing on a Zoom call.

Is this an arm MacBook? It sounds a lot like an Intel one.

Unfortunately, all Macbooks will get pretty hot running Docker, Apple's fan curves will always let your machine heat up before being audible.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by geraldwhen »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #266
geraldwhen wrote: post #227

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Mcafee and VMware carbon black can fully consume a computer.

Ask your IT why they're not using JAMF Protect and maybe some light reporting like splunk. Carbon Black probably needs some adjustments, or they need to spec laptops better. That sounds pretty intense and unnecessary.

IT is 300-600 people who report to no one in particular.

With those tools running, builds take over an hour if they complete at all. With the tools disabled, builds complete in under a minute.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jvanderbot »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

You can usually use the "Xtreme Tuning Utility" (by Intel) to scale down without disabling turbo boost. I use it to scale my ~4.8 Ghz cores to 3.2 Ghz, so they can run without fans on my small form factor PC. 3.2 Ghz x 8 is enough to run most my favorite games.

Without TB, I'm down to 8x 2.4, which is a bit sluggish.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by lhl »

nicolaslem wrote: post #176
kcb wrote: post #18

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I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers. I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops. https://psref.lenovo…

I have been using a 6800U on Linux for the past two weeks. With kernel 5.18 almost everything is supported out of the box. The few issues I have: - Kernel logs show that the GPU driver crashes from time to time. When it happens the screen freezes for a few seconds but recovers. - HVEC hardware decoder gives green artifacts on VLC using VA-API. - It seems not to support advanced power management, on battery the CPU wi…

AMD does automatically switch to a "power saving" profile on battery that lowers power consumption significantly vs on charger, but if you want, you can tweak even further with a fantastic tool: https://github.com/FlyGoat/RyzenAdj - it's a simple CLI util so easy to set up w/ udev rules to run automatically. On my old Ryzen laptop, I have it set to run `ryzenadj -f 48` when I go on battery, which limits the temperature below my laptop's fan hysteresis for a very efficient and totally silent system, and `ryzenadj -f 95` to set it back, but you can also adjust most power and clock parameters (not everything works on Ryzen 6000 yet, but the basics should). The docs/wiki are also great and has lots of charts illustrating what each setting does: https://github.com/FlyGoat/RyzenAdj/wiki/Renoir-Tuning-Guide

The other tool you could check out (and use in conjunction or instead of ryzenadj) is a tool called auto-cpufreq: https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/auto-cpufreq - it lets you switch governor and turbo/clock speeds automatically base on battery if you're just looking for a simpler way to set that.

5.19 has a bunch of amdgpu fixes that might fix some things https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-April/... but sadly there are often also sometimes regressions/weird bugs: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues?page=90&sort...

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jvanderbot »

ddorian43 wrote: post #84
wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

Rather, you probably can't game on Mac.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Fiahil »

brailsafe wrote: post #200
antihero wrote: post #183

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How much corporate garbage on it, though?

Out of curiosity, and aside from Teams which I'm already sadly familiar with, what software is it that you're talking about? Company I work for was just bought by some megacorp, but I'm still using my own 2019 13" MBP for now.

Symantec, Microsoft Defender (this shit is insane), Netskope and ZScaler
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