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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by halz »

secondcoming wrote: post #194
pizza234 wrote: post #117

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> On Linux, the builtin keyboard don't work because of IRQ problems (See [1] The exact problem is that an IRQ/ACPI workaround is not needed anymore on modern Zen platforms, and it (the workaround) now breaks compatibility. It's already in linux master, and will be released for v6.0 Commit message of the fix: commit 9946e39fe8d0a5da9eb947d8e40a7ef204ba016e Author: Chuanhong Guo ACPI: resource: skip IRQ override on AMD…

These ACPI tables are commonly broken. Who creates and tests them?

Some vendors may only 'test' as far as getting the compiler to produce something without errors. So, first thing an end-user/consumer/enterprise customer can do when encountering a new platform is to run the platform through https://uefi.org/testtools, in particular the FWTS/Firmware Test Suite and SCT/ACPI Self-Certification Test, and hold the vendor accountable. Chances are the vendor already has a member on the board of the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface Forum.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by aimor »

newman314 wrote: post #198
sdoering wrote: post #172

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I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.

Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

I still can't believe they're able to disable "Hibernate", now "Sleep" is at risk? And of course with all the bloat booting takes forever.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by opdahl »

ddorian43 wrote: post #84
wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

This is not true. I have an Macbook Pro 16 Inch M1 Max and I play a ton of games. Both Dota 2 and World of Warcraft runs without issues, you just need to do some tweaking with the settings and also framerate cap the game so you don't end up thermal throttling which introduces stuttering.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by masklinn »

3OCSzk wrote: post #229
masklinn wrote: post #118

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> Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. That’s not true in any way?

Could you elaborate why it isn't the case?

Because there’s no evidence for the claim, and the evidence is mostly “Apple has created a huge and complex chip”?

And what does “Everything is in one chip” even mean? Because the memory certainly isn’t, it’s soldered on the package but it’s not part of the package, it just doesn’t take additional room on the main board. And there are a bunch of other chips on the mainboard

Finally, it’s pretty much just following mobile / phone chip SoC design, so any other manufacturer could do the same, if they wanted to create a giant and expensive SOC.

And I want to be really clear on the “giant and expensive” part: the M1 family is the sort of scale you usually see on giant workstation or server chips, the M1 Pro has 33.7 billion transistors, that’s more than a Threadripper 5995WX, a $6500 64 cores CPU. The M1 is just short of the 5950X’s transistor count (16 billions to 19.2), the M2 is above (~20).

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Nursie »

3OCSzk wrote: post #229
masklinn wrote: post #118

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> Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. That’s not true in any way?

Could you elaborate why it isn't the case?

They may be referring to the early rumours/misapprehension that the RAM was on-die and part of the SOC as well.

This isn't true AFAICT.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by KptMarchewa »

ant6n wrote: post #174
pedrocr wrote: post #123

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

>Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016

After being ahead of Intel in the Pentium 4 era. The problem back then was marketing and giant amount of (probably illegal now) bundling that was rampant back then.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by KptMarchewa »

Bellyache5 wrote: post #222
varispeed wrote: post #220

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As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans…

You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.

The toggle bundles trackpad and scrolling setting in one - I want to have their "natural scroll direction" on trackpad and reverse on mice.

Scroll reverser allows you to set them up separately.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by alt227 »

newman314 wrote: post #198
sdoering wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.

Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day

When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time.

EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces so many support tickets by just actually having machines properly rebooted every night. Without this, people contact IT for glitches and bugs in their system, and when you look at the system uptime it is years!

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

nicolaslem wrote: post #176
kcb wrote: post #18

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I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers. I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops. https://psref.lenovo…

I have been using a 6800U on Linux for the past two weeks. With kernel 5.18 almost everything is supported out of the box. The few issues I have: - Kernel logs show that the GPU driver crashes from time to time. When it happens the screen freezes for a few seconds but recovers. - HVEC hardware decoder gives green artifacts on VLC using VA-API. - It seems not to support advanced power management, on battery the CPU wi…

Can I ask which laptop that is?
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