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Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by lixtra »

deltree7 wrote: post #155
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #109

>"While the role of the artist isn’t going away soon, the role of stock image sites might disappear. " Not, yet. While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want. Prices for stock images will collapse for the common quick to use images but the price for the specialized high end images will hold their value or even increase in value. Those historical and such images will…

Also there is nothing preventing Stock Image Sites themselves using Dall-E to generate additional images. Heck they can use their own existing images for training (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) to increase the portfolio, but the Stock Image Sites can access free public images. So, counter-intuitively it may strengthen Stock Image Sites value

> which other‘s can‘t due to copyright

Apparently using copyrighted training data is okay in EU: Directive (EU) 2019/790 … on copyright and related rights Article 4 [1]

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by rg111 »

mastazi wrote: post #235

The "Bonus killer feature request for Google" kinda exists in PowerPoint in Office365, except that it's based on stock pictures, rather than synthetic images. It selects a picture based on the text currently present in the slide. So, unlike the "feature request", you don't even need to type a description. The feature is called "Design Ideas".

I used this feature so much when I was in school.

And I was thinking exactly this.

Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by rg111 »

egypturnash wrote: post #177

God it’s so fucking depressing to see all you techies debating whether or not the skill I have dedicated my life to getting good enough at to earn a quiet, modest living with should be automated away or not. And insisting that surely your jobs are too special and complex for this to ever happen to you. At least I can take solace in the fact that for now these things aren’t gonna be taking a bite out of the furry art…

As companies in spotlight make it impossible to generate gore or porn, will more commission artists' specialization be in that area?

There are already enough offbeat companies dedicated in generating porn, I am sure.

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Post by rullelito »

egypturnash wrote: post #186
hackerlight wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it should be. You aren't entitled to my money for your services if a computer can do a good enough job for free. And human history is full of examples of innovations displacing humans and temporarily unemploying them until they found other jobs. That's basically what "productivity" is about in economics, and overall it's a good thing we're not still in the stone age in the name of protecting people's jobs.

Please save this comment somewhere and read it to yourself when the successor to GitHub’s Copilot makes you start worrying about your ability to earn a living. Thanks in advance.

Why would this change anything? If I 'm not willing to do my job for the salary offered I have to change jobs. What is upsetting about this?

Re: I replaced all our blog thumbnails using DALL·E 2

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Post by rullelito »

egypturnash wrote: post #185
roughly wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that the whole goddamn trick here is basically taking the output you and your peers have created, anonymizing it, throwing it in a blender, and then acting like the AI has generated something new and humans aren't needed anymore.

Yep! “Draw me Elon Musk fellating a Bitcoin in the style of an artist who spent decades refining their craft and producing enough art to train a neural network to make something resembling it, and completely ignore any potential copyright issues because it’s maybe right on the edge of sufficiently transformative, and anyway we have no idea what’s going on in these damn black boxes any more.” That’ll be one compute to…

What about artists who are inspired by other artists?

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Post by xwdv »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #238
xwdv wrote: post #62

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It will never come for us. You think it will, but that’s because you don’t understand software. Pick any random Jira ticket for a large software project. Could an AI understand and implement that feature into a larger project? Can it correctly deploy it without interruptions to production jobs? Will it correctly implement tests and decent code coverage? If there are regressions will it know how to go in and fix them?…

I guess the difference is, with the art the human can immediately reject/accept and iterate. And a bad image can be crappy, it doesn't break anything. With software it might take days of testing to verify the result, and then repeat that for every iteration. Would be cheaper to build the thing! Where AI might work is in some restricted subset of software, like a web CRUD app where you say "I want an app that stores a…

Simple CRUD apps are mere toys these days. We don’t even need AI to quickly generate them, it can be done with a couple scripts. The only people that would be replaced by an AI that specializes in CRUD would be recent CS graduates, junior developers.

The serious engineers are all working on things that go far deeper, and they could never be replaced.

If you want to build a business big enough to be listed on the NASDAQ, you need real developers, and you need to pay them real money.

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Post by mirekrusin »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #109

>"While the role of the artist isn’t going away soon, the role of stock image sites might disappear. " Not, yet. While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want. Prices for stock images will collapse for the common quick to use images but the price for the specialized high end images will hold their value or even increase in value. Those historical and such images will…

AI DJ?

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Post by V-2 »

asddubs wrote: post #211
bergenty wrote: post #207

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Nope copilot is only trained on open source codebases.

open source isn't the same as public domain. the code is still copyrighted and has a specific license that has to be adhered to in order to be allowed to use it

What about my biological intelligence? Let's say I'm just training myself (learning) by browsing and reading a lot of open source projects, not even bothering to check what the licenses say. Am I possibly violating any license? And I will produce some output based on this, writing code at work (that output will not be copy-pasted, but certainly based on the "training" I received from reading through the open-source code).

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

zarzavat wrote: post #218
asddubs wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

open source isn't the same as public domain. the code is still copyrighted and has a specific license that has to be adhered to in order to be allowed to use it

Nobody knows whether or not training a NN is fair use. If it were ruled to be not fair use then it would basically shut down a large chunk of ML research in the US, as it's not just Copilot that is training on copyrighted data. All the large language models require copyrighted data such as web crawls as there is just not enough public domain material around. So even if you are right, and courts rule that training is…

We could you know… ask people to donate content to these systems. They could train on Creative Commons and ask Twitter to build image license options in to their UI, then train on all the freely licensed images.

So we could actually follow copyright laws and still have an ML industry. But I’m not sure big tech wants to ask the public for consent. They would rather have free reign to do whatever they want.

By the way I don’t like copyright law or the concept of IP. But I find it a little annoying that I’m supposed to respect IP law and ML stuff can just ignore it. Also if big tech was forced to encourage people to share stuff with an open license, this would be a huge net good for society! Instead nothing changes but big tech gets to take advantage of peoples copyrighted works and artists can’t do anything to stop it. That kinda sucks.

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