Earlier quoted context omitted.
Over time, the drift between the past print encyclopedias and present digital ones will itself be informative.
Reading my 100 year old encyclopedia is certainly informative from a social perspective. Anyone not white was considered fairly subhuman at the time, and I know that, but reading how casually that all is presented as fact in an encyclopedia is mildly disturbing.
Post-Apocalyptic Programming
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Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can get much smaller than a USB C flash drive, and then might as well put the whole dataset on it. I think you want multiple APKs as part of the database (or databases, so each phone isn't required to contain the full dataset, and the total dataset can be larger than the size of a typical phone storage) The most basic APK should only consern itself with sharing the database via adhoc wifi, USB flash…
I like the way you think. Can you put a phone into usb-flash-gadget mode? Then you could propagate the spreading of APKs via ADB from a phone-to-phone copy. We need solar powered wifi with suites of bootstrapping APKs.
The hardware obviously supports it, but the android SDK doesn't provide a way for userspace software to implement new devices, so you are stuck with the devices already there. And you really want this to work on any phone that the survivors find, without any pre-apocalypse prep work, so assume rooting is out.
Testing on my two Samsung phones, while you can connect them, and charge one from the other, I couldn't manage to transfer files from one to the other. Even though they have this and use this functionality in a built-in to migrate from one phone to anther during upgrades. Maybe there is a way to get usb networking working?
TBH, I think you are better off just relying on adhoc wifi networks created by the phone sharing. Slower, but it doesn't require a usb-c cable (and these phones might get all sorts of hardware hacks applied to charge them, some of which might interfere with usb-c)
> We need solar powered wifi with suites of bootstrapping APKs.
Once again, that's pre-apocalypse prep work of hardware, which we want to avoid. And can be solved easy enough post-apocalypse. Just find a phone. Hook it up to a solar charger, and make it host an ad-hoc wifi network and run the syncing APK.
My hope is that a few people are paranoid enough to stash the APKs and some useful databases on either flash drives or their phones. (alternatively, make at least some of the databases useful enough that some percentage of the population is incentivized to naturally carry them around on their phones. They might not ever use the phone-to-phone syncing, except in weird situations when multiple people are out of range of the internet). And then once the apocalypse happens, hopefully enough devices capable of charging phones will stick around until the dataset spreads, and people use the infomation for making/maintaining power sources.
Then we are reliant on the massive install base of android phones, scavenging and the long-tail of the bell-curve keeping enough of those phones functional enough, with the data hopping from phone-to-phone until society reaches the level of technology where they can build new storage devices.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#143I love prepping, up to a point. If we all would like to live in a world without war, the only path I see is if people learn to be strong as individuals, able to self govern, grow emotionally and take responsibility for their own actions. As long as we use collective thinking and externalization our power in organizations, believe in superstitions like money, government, “the greater good”, rather than recognizing wha…
I have no desire to change the world, I just inform my personal decisions and benefit from understanding the truth.
If you want to discuss how to communicate for liberty, my email is in my bio.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me know when libertarianism achieves any more than attracting bears - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-... Personally I enjoy my government roads, schools, fire service and all the rest. Perhaps when you’ve grown emotionally, you’ll understand that government is people working together to achieve a common good. It’s flawed and easy to get wrong, it oversteps and overspends, but I’ll tak…
> Let me know when libertarianism achieves any more than attracting bears My pleasure. The United States was founded on libertarian principles (excluding allowing slavery to continue, this was fixed in 1865). The result was the rise if poor people to the most successful nation in the world, and the greatest rise in the wealth of those poor people. This did not happen in, say, South America, that was discovered and co…
It certainly wasn't based on modern libertarian principles, or there would not have been much of a government in the first place.
It certainly pays lip service to freedom, but pre-dates the modern libertarian obsession with contract and property law as supreme above all others.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point that governments and money are superstitions and that people need to "grow emotionally and take responsibility" rather than believing in such things? No, I'm pretty sure I got the point there. I agree, government is just a bunch of individuals, and collectively we empower them to take action on our behalf, and they achieve things that without such cooperation would be hard to impossible. I don't believe the…
If you're talking about me, I believe that when people are ready for it, "governments" as such will cease to be relevant. To put this another way, I am NOT advocating for getting rid of governments, because a) they already don't exist, and b) right now, if we "got rid of government", let's say by somehow stopping all political, police, military and other activity, there most likely would be chaos, as many people like…
People will never be 'ready' to stop abusing and taking advantage of others, without cooperative measures (governments) to restrict such activity, what you have is a recipe for mass violence and a return to warlords and feudalism as those who can raise the largest mob take the lions share of resources for themselves.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Let me know when libertarianism achieves any more than attracting bears My pleasure. The United States was founded on libertarian principles (excluding allowing slavery to continue, this was fixed in 1865). The result was the rise if poor people to the most successful nation in the world, and the greatest rise in the wealth of those poor people. This did not happen in, say, South America, that was discovered and co…
> The United States was founded on libertarian principles It certainly wasn't based on modern libertarian principles, or there would not have been much of a government in the first place. It certainly pays lip service to freedom, but pre-dates the modern libertarian obsession with contract and property law as supreme above all others.
> libertarian obsession with contract and property law as supreme above all others
Contracts are always superceded by government laws under libertarianism.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Over time, the drift between the past print encyclopedias and present digital ones will itself be informative.
Reading my 100 year old encyclopedia is certainly informative from a social perspective. Anyone not white was considered fairly subhuman at the time, and I know that, but reading how casually that all is presented as fact in an encyclopedia is mildly disturbing.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Over time, the drift between the past print encyclopedias and present digital ones will itself be informative.
Reading my 100 year old encyclopedia is certainly informative from a social perspective. Anyone not white was considered fairly subhuman at the time, and I know that, but reading how casually that all is presented as fact in an encyclopedia is mildly disturbing.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actual prepping as in "preparing for the afternath of some catastrophic event that breaks civilization" is something else than the usual "cosplaying for the zombie apocalypse"-type of prepping you can observe so often. Actual prepping would involve a ton of community networking, trying to be in good terms with your neighbours, creating lasting and decentralized infrastructure for a d with them etc. The prepping most…
I think this explains the stereotype of Christian conservatives in rural "fly-over country" in the USA. Frontiersmen were preppers writ large, and could not even rely on the supply chains of their time, let alone the massively interlinked supply chains of today. They had to rely on themselves -- and each other. 150 years ago, the church was not just a place of worship, but also a community center, where neighbors met…
E.g. it is a very important skill in an rural environment to know how to shut up and not say what you are thinking. This is why the recent vreferendum on abortion in Kansas went the way it did. People on the countryside tend to be more comservative, sure. But they also hate being told what they are allowed to do.
Re: Post-Apocalyptic Programming
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMHO, modern microcontrollers is where it's at when it comes to preserving the current technological base. They're 32 bits and relatively high powered, yet cheap and reliable enough. They don't need cooling and are robust to be fed from different power sources. If you base your software stack on, say, the ARM Cortex M4 or even M0+, you should be good for long time. You can stash a lot of spare parts and can maintain…
Devices running on high density flash will not be reliable long term. None of these devices have ECC to reduce the probability of catastrophic failure from accumulated bit flips.