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Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by jimkleiber »

keyle wrote: post #84
jimkleiber wrote: post #83

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Makes me think it might be similar to the "I don't watch TV" or "movies" or "sports" crowds. Just any pervasive cultural activity in which some don't participate but still carry on. I remember before I deleted my FB account (I've since created a new one), my buddy said to me that I'd be ok, just that I might be strongly disconnected from culture—not necessarily to tell me to not do it, but to be aware of the potentia…

Agreed partially. You have to question what "culture" are you missing on. I'm still on Facebook and let me tell you, you're not missing much in the culture department.

Maybe not mass culture, per say, as that may have happened elsewhere. Maybe it was the conversation with friends, events, new lingo, reactions, updates, etc.—more focused on maybe a more local, group culture than a higher level US or global culture.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by jimkleiber »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #161
SoftTalker wrote: post #131

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I have no Facebook, Instagram, Snap, or any similar accounts. In casual converstation, I sometimes notice meme references or slang that I don't know, but that's about it. Not a big problem or loss IMO.

> In casual converstation, I sometimes notice meme references or slang that I don't know, but that's about it. Not a big problem or loss IMO. It would be a loss if your cohort planned/converse using those methods of communication, and you valued doing things with that cohort.

I think this was the bigger issue for me: missing out on what my friends were doing. It was a pain (and still is) to make accommodations for the one or two people who aren't on a platform, just as it would annoy me to remember to include the one person on Zoom when I'd be in an in-person meeting with 15 people. Switching modalities can add just enough friction to mean the one not on the platform misses out.

Perhaps some wanted that, maybe even I did—conflicted in wanting freedom from it and also fearing the loss of it.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by oblak »

iasay wrote: post #159
oblak wrote: post #139

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Sounds horrible. How did you even start dating a person like that? She must be really something special but I just can't wrap my head around it because in my experience only exceptionally dull and dumb people are like that. That said, I am a happily married old fart so it's only natural to not get some aspects of modern life.

People didn't always start like that...

How did it start in your case?

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by gaws »

spoils19 wrote: post #216
gaws wrote: post #198

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What do you expect from a user who claims to be "fighting for my life in the comments almost daily" on HN? el-oh-el.

HN is the last bastion of free speech and intelligent conversation. Sorry to hear if you dislike people who want to defend that right adamantly, but myself and most other HNers who embrace the free speech, conservative model would politely, but firmly, show you the door.

> myself and most other HNers who embrace the free speech, conservative model would politely, but firmly, show you the door.

No one is entitled to 100% free speech protection on a moderated platform one joins by choice. If you're concerned about saying what you want without the risk of being banned, consider hosting your own forum where you have all the control. Only then you will be free.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by rnd0 »

agileAlligator wrote: post #226
rnd0 wrote: post #219

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> right now, the culture isn't at fb, it's at places like reddit and 4chan The fact that people in 2022 describe 4chan as having any kind of effect on our culture should send shivers down our collective spines. /pol/ is 4chan, 4chan is /pol/

> The fact that people in 2022 describe 4chan as having any kind of effect on our culture should send shivers down our collective spines. 4chan has always been the undercurrent of digital culture. It's just way closer to the surface now. And contrary to popular belief, the entirety of 4chan isn't some den of degenerates and racists. People end up focusing on /b/ and /pol/, when the entire reason they were created was…

1)That's still pretty toxic.

2)/pol/ overruns and sets the tone for the rest of the boards on 4chan IME. That's why I personally stopped reading there.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by Viliam1234 »

skinnymuch wrote: post #229
hnuser847 wrote: post #228

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But the extreme ends do have similar features (hatred of certain ethic/racial groups, black and white thinking, desire to destroy the existing political order instead of reform it, conspiratorial thinking, etc.). The fact that you don’t think they’re equal is just because you have more sympathy towards one end of the spectrum over the other.

Why would the extreme left have hatred of certain ethnic/racial groups? Which ones would that even be? I hope this isn’t some the left hates white people thing. Bigotry of superficial things doesn’t make sense for what the hard left is about. Conspiratorial thinking for the hard left is nothing close to what it is like for the alt-right. They are basically not similar at all. The alt-right is about Q, saying Trump lo…

> Why would the extreme left have hatred of certain ethnic/racial groups? Which ones would that even be? I hope this isn’t some the left hates white people thing.

I think Asians are considered privileged (so almost as bad as whites), and there was something wrong with Israel, too.

> saying Trump lost a rigged election

Some people on the left said similar things when Trump won the 2016 election.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

cratermoon wrote: post #172
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #59

Author alludes to such, but the chief distinguishing factor I see is whether one prefers real life, or the unreal life offered by the Internet.

The internet stopped being distinct from "real life" some time ago.

It's the difference between staying at home playing video games at Friday night versus going somewhere with your friends. This choice is made every week, and if you choose video games over in-person social interaction repeatedly, then there is a difference between real life and digital life.

The preference for "real life" I mention is a question of whether individuals engage with reality in non-digital form on a regular basis, or if they hide from it.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Post by skinnymuch »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #236
skinnymuch wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the extreme left have hatred of certain ethnic/racial groups? Which ones would that even be? I hope this isn’t some the left hates white people thing. Bigotry of superficial things doesn’t make sense for what the hard left is about. Conspiratorial thinking for the hard left is nothing close to what it is like for the alt-right. They are basically not similar at all. The alt-right is about Q, saying Trump lo…

> Why would the extreme left have hatred of certain ethnic/racial groups? Which ones would that even be? I hope this isn’t some the left hates white people thing. I think Asians are considered privileged (so almost as bad as whites), and there was something wrong with Israel, too. > saying Trump lost a rigged election Some people on the left said similar things when Trump won the 2016 election.

Something wrong with Israel isn’t racism or bigotry.

Why would the left be the ones that put Asians on a pedestal? Fox, and alt right places put Asians in America on a pedestal enough already. It’s a regular thing when shitting on black people or brown migrants need to be kicked down by the [hard] right. I’d be curious of even minimal widespread hard left caring of Asians in a specific way.

Also, “almost as bad as whites”? Are you saying the hard left finds white people to be [really] bad? That’s something I specifically called out as an incorrect thing. It is a random talking point that to stir things up. I wish people wouldn’t take bullshit peddled seriously. Knowledge of hard left principles and people would show this is wrong.

Finally, some people everywhere of any kind are always saying something. A small portion of hard left people saying X is rigged is not comparable to the significant chunk of the moderate and extreme right doing the same.

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I hope I have been able to keep the record straight that the extreme left isn’t the same as the extreme right and most assumptions or accusations of what the hard left is, have not and are not correct.

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