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Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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Designate the cartels as terrorists and cut off their profits by securing the border.

The war on drugs is not winnable, but the cartels can be defeated by legalizing all drugs.

Do all drugs need to be legalized ?

Maybe there’s a Paretto distribution at play here

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in cities where drugs have been somewhat decriminalized, the production and distribution remains illegal enough to allow cartels to flourish. You can disagree that legalization is the answer, but it hasn't been tried and failed.

We fundamentally disagree on what the larger problem is. a. Easy access to drugs. b. Cartels. As terrible as cartels are, easy access to drugs is easily a much bigger problem. Edit: I'm using an admittedly simplistic heuristic: How many people are going to have their lives destroyed by a. compared to b.?

Easy access to drugs are a personal choice but cartel rule is institutionalized violence

Also no one has their life ruined by cartels in the US - somehow they all turn entrepreneurial once they cross the borders

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We fundamentally disagree on what the larger problem is. a. Easy access to drugs. b. Cartels. As terrible as cartels are, easy access to drugs is easily a much bigger problem. Edit: I'm using an admittedly simplistic heuristic: How many people are going to have their lives destroyed by a. compared to b.?

Easy access to drugs are a personal choice but cartel rule is institutionalized violence Also no one has their life ruined by cartels in the US - somehow they all turn entrepreneurial once they cross the borders

"personal choice" is not that personal. Just like "common sense" is not that common. There are herd effects that should be considered, we are not isolated atoms bouncing around subject only to Newton's laws. As a matter of fact, we are highly mimetic creatures.

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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post #20

Not trying to justify anything, but does know how many journalists there are in Mexico? Is 13 journalists murdered so far above the murder rate?

Doesn't need to be framed in a statistical context to be troubling. If cartels are murdering journalists for reporting on their activities, that is a serious problem.

I am not trying to downplay the killings. Obviously murder is wrong especially if you are doing it to continue terrible behavior.

The article doesn't make it clear if the amount of murders of journalists is increasing or not. Maybe by this time last year 15 journalists were killed for reporting on cartels and things are getting better. It is hard to take anything away other than some people were killed by cartels.

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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Designate the cartels as terrorists and cut off their profits by securing the border.

The war on drugs is not winnable, but the cartels can be defeated by legalizing all drugs.

Seeing how some cartels are moving to legal things like avocados, I don't think you can guarantee you can defeat them just by legalizing drugs.

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy access to drugs are a personal choice but cartel rule is institutionalized violence Also no one has their life ruined by cartels in the US - somehow they all turn entrepreneurial once they cross the borders

"personal choice" is not that personal. Just like "common sense" is not that common. There are herd effects that should be considered, we are not isolated atoms bouncing around subject only to Newton's laws. As a matter of fact, we are highly mimetic creatures.

OK, but I’d rather have that herd or mimetic choice any day than having violent thugs kidnap me and force me to work for them

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"personal choice" is not that personal. Just like "common sense" is not that common. There are herd effects that should be considered, we are not isolated atoms bouncing around subject only to Newton's laws. As a matter of fact, we are highly mimetic creatures.

OK, but I’d rather have that herd or mimetic choice any day than having violent thugs kidnap me and force me to work for them

The empirical question is what are the chances you (or a loved one) gets hooked on openly available drugs, vs violent thugs kidnapping you (or a loved one). If the empirical chance of 1st is 10x-100x higher than the 2nd, then perhaps we should focus our social efforts on limiting drug availability.

Edit. The world is imperfect, and it will always be imperfect. There is no solution, and especially no government policy, that can possibly make everyone's lives perfect. Maybe, asymptotically, an individual aspiration to sainthood / life well lived / nirvana / etc.

In the social media era we have lost the concept of tradeoffs, of minimizing harm. We are compelled to attempt to completely eliminate harm, which is impossible.

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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Designate the cartels as terrorists and cut off their profits by securing the border.

Not gonna happen during AMLO's presidency. He has been recorded eating tacos with the mother of "El Chapo" and her operators, he negotiated the extradition of Secretary of Defense Salvador Cienfuegos when he was arrested in USA, and promptly exonerated him, and has publicly declared that cartel members are human beings and deserve respect. "Hugs, not bullets" is still his "strategy". His almost two decades of preside…

The US could close it's own border if it wanted to.

The US designating them as terrorists would allow the US to go in and remove the threats just like any other cell.

Cooperation of the Mexican government is ideal and could be done through economic leverage like the last admin did with the USMCA to get the Stay in Mexico policy and Mexican troops on the border.

Re: Mexico sees 13th journalist murdered so far this year

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post #29

Designate the cartels as terrorists and cut off their profits by securing the border.

Legalize drugs (both in Mexico and the US) and have them turn into legitimate, transparent businesses with less need to resort to crime.

I agree, it worked well for pot, now what about the human trafficking?
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