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Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by bragr »

debesyla wrote: post #214
bufferoverflow wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different parts of Wikipedia are completely taken over by interest groups. Try making any factual change, they immediately revert and claim you are a vandal.

[citation needed] Just kidding. But I do wonder - what parts are you talking about? Like some specific languages? Or topics?

This is such a well known phenomenon I feel it falls under the "sky is blue" exception. However, here's a good example: a specific group of contributors active on pages about composers really don't like infoboxes. Despite being clear (to me) across most topics and languages that there's strong consensus on the use of infoboxes, they will not allow them on any composer's biography. Seriously pick out some random composers [1] and there's a conspicuous lack of them. If you are an unlucky editor, who stumbles upon one of these pages and think an infobox would be an easy, helpful contribution, well prepare to be bitten by a highly active, coordinated group and have your changes reverted. This has been going on for over a decade and blow up to the top levels of dispute resolution several times. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_composers_by_name

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Com...

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by BeetleB »

gamblor956 wrote: post #236
BeetleB wrote: post #153

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They story had many interesting arcs that could have been richer, but halfway through it was clear there wasn't any interest in developing them, and that it was just about finding/connecting with the girl. Also, the fact that the trivia questions always seemed to align with his accidental experiences was just not that interesting. A story about a poor boy making it big by things other than "always being lucky" would…

We must have watched a very different movie... He wasn't lucky. In fact the point of the movie was that the totality of his crappy life experiences before the trivia game ultimately led to him making it big. Essentially, it was a metaphor for karma. (Spoiler: he almost died several times, his mom and brother died, his friend was sexually abused and he only narrowly escaped similar fates by running away, and he was wo…

> What part of this do you consider lucky?

The part where the questions just happened to align with his misfortunes. And not even in a meaningful way.

This definitely isn't a movie about someone who made it big by struggling hard. He struggled for sure, but the fortune came not as a byproduct of his efforts, but by being lucky. I mean sure, luck is a factor in everyone's success. In his case, it wasn't merely a factor. It was almost all luck.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by IncRnd »

debesyla wrote: post #213
IncRnd wrote: post #190

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"It was started in 2003 by Martin Eberhard, Dylan Stott, and Elon Musk (who also co-founded PayPal and SpaceX and is the CEO of SpaceX)." [1] [1] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%2c_Inc%2e

1) 'simple' wikipedia isn't 'main' wikipedia - same as any other language wikipedias. 2) You can edit and fix mistakes if you see that as a mistake.

1) Nobody said anything about qualifying what wikipedia is. However, this is wikipedia, as one can see by looking at the domain in the url, wikipedia.org. Even so, there are many pages that cover tesla at wikipedia.org. Besides, if you just google for, "What companies has Elon Musk founded?" without quotes you will get a google listing of companies founded by Elon Musk. The very first of those is Tesla!

2) That was the point of the parent's comment! There are many pages at wikipedia that contain conflicting information.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by rdtsc »

Jolter wrote: post #196
rdtsc wrote: post #185

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> It's shocking how one nation can see themselves in such a negative way. Wonder if the issue is that it's just perception, i.e. they just "see" it that way, or it is actually that way as in reality? It would seem the people who have first hand experience would be more familiar with the environment. > Humans will game systems if the circumstances are right. I think one interesting aspect is whether they view it as a…

In this case (with IMDb resume fraud), I don’t even see that it’s illegal. Probably in violation of some EULA but probably not fraud until and if they get an actual job based on that fake resume. (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.)

Fair point in regard to the original story. I was mainly responding to the GP discussing hiring for management level, assuming hiring had happened as well. But, yeah it doesn't have to be illegal but can still be fraud.

I find it interesting that perceptions can be wildly different. In some societies people who don't game the system or try to commit fraud can be seen as naive or stupid. In others, the complete opposite - those who try all these things, are shunned and held in low regard even if they haven't actually broken any laws, because they are breaking social mores.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by gamblor956 »

BeetleB wrote: post #243
gamblor956 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We must have watched a very different movie... He wasn't lucky. In fact the point of the movie was that the totality of his crappy life experiences before the trivia game ultimately led to him making it big. Essentially, it was a metaphor for karma. (Spoiler: he almost died several times, his mom and brother died, his friend was sexually abused and he only narrowly escaped similar fates by running away, and he was wo…

> What part of this do you consider lucky? The part where the questions just happened to align with his misfortunes. And not even in a meaningful way. This definitely isn't a movie about someone who made it big by struggling hard. He struggled for sure, but the fortune came not as a byproduct of his efforts, but by being lucky. I mean sure, luck is a factor in everyone's success. In his case, it wasn't merely a facto…

The questions align chronologically with his misfortunes, essentially providing a roadmap of the major events that determined the course of his life.

Yes, they're lucky. It's a game show. A large part of trivia game shows is a matter of luck with respect to the questions asked.

But the point of the movie was that his luck on the game show was good karma for the decisions he made at the major points of his life. (Contrast with his brother.)

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by BeetleB »

gamblor956 wrote: post #246
BeetleB wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What part of this do you consider lucky? The part where the questions just happened to align with his misfortunes. And not even in a meaningful way. This definitely isn't a movie about someone who made it big by struggling hard. He struggled for sure, but the fortune came not as a byproduct of his efforts, but by being lucky. I mean sure, luck is a factor in everyone's success. In his case, it wasn't merely a facto…

The questions align chronologically with his misfortunes, essentially providing a roadmap of the major events that determined the course of his life. Yes, they're lucky. It's a game show. A large part of trivia game shows is a matter of luck with respect to the questions asked. But the point of the movie was that his luck on the game show was good karma for the decisions he made at the major points of his life. (Cont…

> But the point of the movie was that his luck on the game show was good karma for the decisions he made at the major points of his life. (Contrast with his brother.)

Sure, but perhaps very unsatisfying to a Western audience where one wants stronger connections between decisions and consequences.

Consider "It's a Wonderful Life": Although the struggles and misfortunes were not that great, it's also a movie where the protagonist consciously made decisions that led to a poor life, and in the end benefited significantly because of those decisions (and not just materially). The connection between his decisions and the outcome is much stronger.

Still, that was only a small part of why I didn't like the movie much - it merely added insult to a greater injury - that of not developing the various arcs that appeared. Imagine watching Forrest Gump where each of his life adventures was significantly reduced. The story would still be the same, but a lot less satisfying.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by synu »

yunohn wrote: post #228
synu wrote: post #224

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It was the middle part between the two bits you quoted - he was just going to a show, was in a phase where he liked wearing all black, and would get waved in without even intentionally trying to trick anyone because they assumed he was arriving for work. Does that help?

I didn’t interpret “show up” as having purchased tickets and planned to enter, rather unintentionally get let in as was their implication.

Show up can just mean arrive, no implication one way or the other.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by starik36 »

danuker wrote: post #148
starik36 wrote: post #128

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I was an extra in an indie film because a friend asked me to help out. Lo and behold - I now have an IMDB page - presumably the film producer added me. Fast forward a year and now there are 5 films credited to my name. I had nothing to do with 4 of them. I am unclear how and why this is happening.

Huh. Are the other movies from the same studio? Maybe they reused footage with you.

That's a good point. I'll have to check. Thanks.

Re: Fake IMDB credits

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Post by debesyla »

bragr wrote: post #241
debesyla wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed] Just kidding. But I do wonder - what parts are you talking about? Like some specific languages? Or topics?

This is such a well known phenomenon I feel it falls under the "sky is blue" exception. However, here's a good example: a specific group of contributors active on pages about composers really don't like infoboxes. Despite being clear (to me) across most topics and languages that there's strong consensus on the use of infoboxes, they will not allow them on any composer's biography. Seriously pick out some random compo…

Dang, I honestly had no idea this was so open! Thank you!
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