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I have no issue with the term autopilot. Boeing sells planes with autopilot, no one expects them to be fully autonomous. The FSD name makes more sense for the software they've got in public beta than their current offering. Interestingly the only difference between "enhanced autopilot" and FSD right now is the ability to stop at stop lights.
FSD shouldn't be allowed. EAP is a decent name for what it actually does.
I have no issue with the term autopilot. Boeing sells planes with autopilot, no one expects them to be fully autonomous. The FSD name makes more sense for the software they've got in public beta than their current offering. Interestingly the only difference between "enhanced autopilot" and FSD right now is the ability to stop at stop lights.
Comparing a pilot to a regular car driver is just completely off point. You are basically throwing out all the training pilots have to do just to make your point.
I have no issue with the term autopilot. Boeing sells planes with autopilot, no one expects them to be fully autonomous. The FSD name makes more sense for the software they've got in public beta than their current offering. Interestingly the only difference between "enhanced autopilot" and FSD right now is the ability to stop at stop lights.
Boeing doesn't sell to consumers, their customers are large companies. There's quite a difference in the level of knowledge/competence to be expected between those two markets. So "this is fine in B2B" does not automatically translate into "this is fine when targeting John Q Public".
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What they were producing 8 years ago and what they produce nowadays is an order of magnitude different. It’s like comparing your PC from 8 years ago to today’s PCs.
True, but a few years ago they had a huge problem with Model3 and ModelY quality- you had to be very careful and inspect the whole car for serious problems before accepting delivery.
Good. Having sold my Tesla after 8 years of ownership, I can't believe what that company is getting away with. The car was fun to drive, but the build quality and service were terrible. And the continuous upsell to FSD, even 8 years ago, was such a hassle.
What they were producing 8 years ago and what they produce nowadays is an order of magnitude different. It’s like comparing your PC from 8 years ago to today’s PCs.
The cars themselves have more range and charge faster, but its not an order of magnitude. Maybe charge times on a road trip have dropped by ~50%.
Service has generally gotten worse as well, as the company has really struggled to scale. They've added a lot of mobile service and service centers, but they still can't keep up with the pace of growth. Good thing is that most of the newer cars aren't needing service much, but when they do it can be problematic.
Good. Having sold my Tesla after 8 years of ownership, I can't believe what that company is getting away with. The car was fun to drive, but the build quality and service were terrible. And the continuous upsell to FSD, even 8 years ago, was such a hassle.
You're definitely not alone
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Boeing doesn't sell to consumers, their customers are large companies. There's quite a difference in the level of knowledge/competence to be expected between those two markets. So "this is fine in B2B" does not automatically translate into "this is fine when targeting John Q Public".
Last I checked drivers are still required to be licensed and understand the functionality of their cars.
Also if you fly like a maniac you’ll get your license taken away, which is very much not the case for driving.
I can see that "Autopilot" is arguably a marketing term. I don't like it, I feel like it's irresponsible, but I can see the argument that it's not false advertising. It's hard to see ambiguity about "Full Self Driving". What's next, will they argue that "The Car Drives Itself, You Can Take a Nap" isn't meant to be taken literally?
“Full self driving” isn’t just ambiguous, it’s fraudulent. The car can in no way fully ‘drive’ itself unless you define ‘driving’ as not including many things that are universally thought of as necessary skills to operate a car. [edit: rereading your comment, I see we’re actually in agreement!]
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Boeing doesn't sell to consumers, their customers are large companies. There's quite a difference in the level of knowledge/competence to be expected between those two markets. So "this is fine in B2B" does not automatically translate into "this is fine when targeting John Q Public".
Last I checked drivers are still required to be licensed and understand the functionality of their cars.
Then Musk came along and completely ignored the research (which he must've been really aware about considering Google was in negotiations to buy Tesla) and even took the advertising a step further. He KNEW people wouldn't pay attention but sold the cars with that marketing anyways. IMO the blood of the 15 people who have died due to autopilot is directly on his hands as well as the thousands of other injuries due to autopilot accidents
Tesla's still have problems. They made up 273 accidents involving driver-assistance systems in 2021. 70% of all such accidents.