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No More “Insight Porn”

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Re: No More “Insight Porn”

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jocko willinck (and many others I am sure) likes to state that you can’t rely on motivation because it comes and goes. Rely on discipline, build habits using discipline if you want to get anything done. A trite but in my opinion helpful statement is discipline equals freedom.

That sounds like insight porn. How do you build discipline if you’re undisciplined? How do you decide what to be disciplined about?

I don’t consider that to be insight porn, which is why I found it personally valuable. I feel this is a fundamental law of getting anything done. There’s almost nothing that I actually want to do for extended period of times, but I want the result from having done that thing a bunch. For example, it’s really hard to go outside and practice archery every day, but I have to do that in order to have the result of those skills - a successful archery hunt. How do I get the results when I am way past the first month or so where motivation is waning? I have to have the discipline to work toward my goal, regardless of how I feel in the moment.

I found this insight for lack of a better word to be so fundamental that I was floored when I read it in jocko’s kids book. I saw my dad do this, he clearly embodied this value and demonstrated it while raising me, but no one ever explained it to me.

For a goofy comparison, I would consider “discipline equals freedom “ to be love making between a happily married couple, and blog spam insight porn to be actual porn.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#102

Out of the 3 "Insight Porn" examples linked in the article, I think the Paul Graham essay seems out of place. I know I know, this is hacker news. Yet another person sticking up for pg. But I just don't think this essay (or others) is really trying to boil some dream/goal into steps. In fact, in the "How to get startup ideas" referenced in this post, pg says: "So if you can't predict whether there's a path out of an i…

>"if you're the right sort of person, you have the right sort of hunches"

To me, this sounds like a line from a multi-level marketing pitch. It sounds like they're saying "This may not apply to you," but a lot of people will hear "There are chosen people (and you're probably one of them)."

It reminds me of the Calvinism sect of Christianity. They believed in predestination for salvation: God has always known who be a good person and deserve salvation. So there was no point in trying to be virtuous, because the outcome was set before you were born. Still, Calvinists often adopted public shows of virtue, like meticulous gardens, to convince others they were part of the "to be saved" group.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While most would call it luck, most self-help "insight porn" from the 1800s would say it is "fortunate" because you are in control of influencing it with your previous actions. If a complete stranger became your big customer from the same scenario, that would be luck.

Can we stop pretending theses things aren't luck? Sure, there's merit involved - but that's a necessary condition, not a sufficient one. There's a million competent people having basically the same drive and capability. The thing that makes a difference is luck. Period. Please note: this doesn't mean that succesful people don't deserve the success - most times they do. It's just that there are many more people, equal…

The word fortunate includes an aspect of luck.

Successful people are successful because they put themselves out into the world to expand their fortune. They seize common opportunities and make them great. Those opportunities come back around like the original comment.

The whole idea of "building one's fortune" or having a "fortune be told" instills in the idea that your actions are what influences your chance of being lucky in a positive light(never negative).

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jocko willinck (and many others I am sure) likes to state that you can’t rely on motivation because it comes and goes. Rely on discipline, build habits using discipline if you want to get anything done. A trite but in my opinion helpful statement is discipline equals freedom.

This is not a new idea. Just a new messenger for the modern era. Marcus Aurelius was talking about this thousands of years ago. > At dawn, when you have trouble getting out of bed, tell yourself: “I have to go to work — as a human being. What do I have to complain of, if I’m going to do what I was born for — the things I was brought into the world to do? Or is this what I was created for? To huddle under the blankets…

> Not even "discipline", but what is "nature".

So… not what Jocko is talking about?

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#105
post #59

I'm confused, it seems insight porn is this guy's business. His article even ends with this: > If you’d like to get more honest strategies and proven frameworks for winning in life and business, then simply join my free newsletter here. Is he simply trying to trash the competition?

I noticed a common pattern in self-help publications:

1. Claim a common self-help method is ineffective.

2. Show why it's ineffective.

3. Present a different self-help method.

Point number 2 is really important. It could be anything: an anecdote, some data, a paper. But the strongest signal is if the readers themselves already tried the ineffective solution. If it was effective, there's no need for them to research more. But it wasn't working and there's this person who says there's no way it would work. And they are right, so let's hear what else do they have to say (or sell).

You've the walking proof something didn't work and there's someone who's agreeing with you. You did all the hard work and the author is tagging along.

The beauty of it is the original method might be fine, it just didn't work out for you for whatever reason. Including if you read about it, but didn't try.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#106
post #22

Some types of insight is still valuable, and tends to stick longer: * "Your perception of [practice] is wrong". Networking isn't sales or marketing, it's helping each other and building things together without sending invoices. * "You value the wrong things". You are paid to create value, not write code. Negotiation skills pay more than technical skills [1][2] * "The world doesn't work that way". A lot of the content…

> You are paid to create value, not write code.

When I was in college in the late 90s I was fortunate enough to figure this out through experience.

First, there was a real fear all programming jobs were going to be outsourced. So I decided I needed programming + something else (in this case business).

Second, as a sophomore I got a job at a small custom software shop in town (it was the late 90s - if you had a pulse you get a 'programming' job). Our clients didn't care about the code, the language it was written in or anything else technical. They only cared about what it did, and if it solved their problem. It also connected 'solve customer problem' to 'getting paid' in a very direct way.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#107

His six hour day thing reminds me of a wheeze a manager tried in my old company when it was coming up to crunch time. He sent an 'inspirational' email where he said that if we all were to simply work an extra few hours after work each day, then four hours on each of Saturday and Sunday, then - voila - we would magically find ourselves with the equivalent of an 8-day week. I don't think many took him up on this. Thoug…

"Are you guys working? Yes, sir, Mr. Simpson. Could you, um, work any harder than this?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8miwsWtzRw

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#108
W.r.t the "imagine your day is 6 hours long, then you could fit 3 days in one" 'advice'.

I haven't read the original article, and won't, but I'm imagining what they mean by that is 6*3=18 (+6 hours of sleep = 24).

I have two jobs right now; primary gig + ~10hr/week contracting, both tech. I'm actually a big fan of this model of thinking, though not as extreme; I'll elaborate:

Classify 3 days a week as "hell days"; 9a-6p job1 + 7p-9p job2. Tweak the numbers as you will for your own situation, but critically, for every hell day there's a heaven day: Monday you're working 12 hours, but Tuesday you're only working 6 hours, and alternate.

I've found this model to work well, even when it was only applied to a salaried 40-hour-per-week job; Mon is 6h, Tue is 10h, etc. If you've got the right gig that can support something like this (many remote SE roles can). It averages out to the same (sometimes more) hours per week, you can plan for more fluidity (e.g. i'm going out drinking with friends thursday evening, so lets front-load some hell days early in the week so we get a heaven day friday), and it tends to really vibe well with engineering workloads (hell days are great for deep focus, centralize as many meetings as possible on heaven days, whatever works for you, etc).

And sure, I'm being a little vague in how to attain this for yourself, if its something you'd even want; the sin of Insight Porn. It really comes down to "find a job that allows you to do it", and boom, Luck has entered the chat (with some mitigating "Skill" in being in a desirable field, knowing the right questions to ask in an interview, etc).

All that considered, I still like the advice. If I want to spend my free time with loved ones; its so much more valuable & meaningful, to me, to spend an entire afternoon and evening every other day, or even only once/twice a week, than just an evening some/most evenings. Everything is better without interruption; work & play; and classifying your days as "WORK/play" versus "PLAY/work" rather than trying to evenly split every day, has just been better for me. YMMV.*

Of course; extending this idea to "3 work days per day, that's 15 work days per week" or "6 hours of sleep per night" is crazy and no one should live like that.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#109
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jocko willinck (and many others I am sure) likes to state that you can’t rely on motivation because it comes and goes. Rely on discipline, build habits using discipline if you want to get anything done. A trite but in my opinion helpful statement is discipline equals freedom.

That sounds like insight porn. How do you build discipline if you’re undisciplined? How do you decide what to be disciplined about?

> "How do you build discipline if you’re undisciplined?"

Willink's answer is "Just do it." Very charitably, he suggests you should do things you ought to, even if they are painful and you don't want to do it. This actually has some backing in cognitive-behavioral therapy by starting with action first before motivation.

Uncharitably, it's not nuanced if there are deeper reasons why you should actually consider to not work on something you've planned to do (though it's hard to say when this should happen).

> "How do you decide what to be disciplined about?"

Willink talked about how his first motivation was to be very good at his assigned tasks while in the navy. Then, if I remember correctly, he said his mission after retiring was to provide for his family and to help others with his content. For others, he said to focus on physical health; emotional stability; spending money wisely; spending time efficiently; taking care of family and friends; and doing great at your (presumable) current job. This is actually a very good starting point.

My major criticism of his past work is that he seems to assume that leaders/managers work in good faith and won't exploit your hard work. In my experience and several reports by others, following his advice can lead to getting severely overworked for little-to-no reward by managers acting in bad faith.

He also hasn't acknowledged (as far as I can tell) the importance of managing office politics in advancement in many workplaces. He said that outworking someone is the best way to counter someone trying to make you look bad in the workplace, which in my view is insufficient - you also need to talk to your manager about it in a tactful way. Lastly, his current content seems to be increasingly monetized, and he's had more podcast guests who are politicians, when he used to be apolitical.

Re: No More “Insight Porn”

#110
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've followed Tim for a good amount of years and the thing that hit me the most was when he talked about using tools for his socials to make sure he never saw the time line. It made me think, he is happy to use the tool for his own gain, but opening acknowledges that it's bad for him, of course, most people in his situation would be the same, but it made me think, how all of that is mostly for his gain, not what a lo…

> using tools for his socials to make sure he never saw the time line I don't use socials, so I need some help understanding this sentence, please. What does it mean to "[not] see the timeline" and why is it important?

Basically, the timeline was just another word used for the feed.

He didn't want to see the feed that everyone was posting because he knows it just saps your attention / can be toxic, but he wanted the ability to post on other people's feeds so they would see the content he wanted to promote.

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