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How to stop being “terminally online”

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Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Similar with my father but he's got a dumb phone and browses on his laptop. When we have conversations with family he seems to always tune out after a few minutes and goes on the computer. His whole world view has been flipped upside down by conspiracy and hoax content. We've talked to him about not mentioning that stuff while we're over but it seems to be affecting his happiness nonetheless.

Mine too. It seems like every old father has fallen into the right wing conspiracy cesspool that has warped their mind. An entire generation lost. I really wonder what makes them so susceptible to that content. Internet illiteracy? Old age? It's just who they are? In other words, they want the conspiracies to be true, they want a reason to hate Fauci, Greta Thunberg etc.? And even more, I wonder if it can be cured. I…

> It seems like every old father has fallen into the right wing conspiracy cesspool that has warped their mind.

Unfortunately this is not an age thing. Youngsters just have the tendency to embrace different manias (e.g. woke movement).

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Mine too. It seems like every old father has fallen into the right wing conspiracy cesspool that has warped their mind. An entire generation lost. I really wonder what makes them so susceptible to that content. Internet illiteracy? Old age? It's just who they are? In other words, they want the conspiracies to be true, they want a reason to hate Fauci, Greta Thunberg etc.? And even more, I wonder if it can be cured. I…

> It seems like every old father has fallen into the right wing conspiracy cesspool that has warped their mind. Unfortunately this is not an age thing. Youngsters just have the tendency to embrace different manias (e.g. woke movement).

Left and right politics aren’t equal. Just because they are on opposite sides.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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> I'm still on Facebook and let me tell you, you're not missing much in the culture department. guy above you might have deleted his fb account in the early 2000s. right now, the culture isn't at fb, it's at places like reddit and 4chan.

> right now, the culture isn't at fb, it's at places like reddit and 4chan The fact that people in 2022 describe 4chan as having any kind of effect on our culture should send shivers down our collective spines. /pol/ is 4chan, 4chan is /pol/

> The fact that people in 2022 describe 4chan as having any kind of effect on our culture should send shivers down our collective spines.

4chan has always been the undercurrent of digital culture. It's just way closer to the surface now. And contrary to popular belief, the entirety of 4chan isn't some den of degenerates and racists. People end up focusing on /b/ and /pol/, when the entire reason they were created was to quarantine that sort of discussion from infecting the rest of the boards. /fit/, /sci/, /mu/ etc are about as toxic as any subreddit.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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> Cal Newport's site has a Ledger of Harms [1] at the Center for Humane Technology Sorry, I'm not following. Could you elaborate on the connection between Cal Newport and the site you linked to?

I may be mistaken but Center for Humane Technology which compiled the "Ledger of harms" is an umbrella for critical thought on digital tech whose members include folk like Roger McNamee, Cal Newport, Jonathan Haidt, Max Stossel, Tristan Harris and others. Actually it would be fairer to call it Harris' site (since he is the "president" of it)

Thanks!

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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> It seems like every old father has fallen into the right wing conspiracy cesspool that has warped their mind. Unfortunately this is not an age thing. Youngsters just have the tendency to embrace different manias (e.g. woke movement).

Left and right politics aren’t equal. Just because they are on opposite sides.

But the extreme ends do have similar features (hatred of certain ethic/racial groups, black and white thinking, desire to destroy the existing political order instead of reform it, conspiratorial thinking, etc.). The fact that you don’t think they’re equal is just because you have more sympathy towards one end of the spectrum over the other.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Left and right politics aren’t equal. Just because they are on opposite sides.

But the extreme ends do have similar features (hatred of certain ethic/racial groups, black and white thinking, desire to destroy the existing political order instead of reform it, conspiratorial thinking, etc.). The fact that you don’t think they’re equal is just because you have more sympathy towards one end of the spectrum over the other.

Why would the extreme left have hatred of certain ethnic/racial groups? Which ones would that even be? I hope this isn’t some the left hates white people thing. Bigotry of superficial things doesn’t make sense for what the hard left is about.

Conspiratorial thinking for the hard left is nothing close to what it is like for the alt-right. They are basically not similar at all. The alt-right is about Q, saying Trump lost a rigged election, or thinking moderates are grooming children and molesting kids. What is the equivalence with the hard left?

The black and white thinking is also super simplistic. How do moderates not have black and white thinking in comparison to the extremes? IE a moderate would say don’t vote or spend time on any one but the two main party candidates in the US. In other countries, they’d say focus on who has a proper chance of being elected. Black and white thinking and self fulfilling.

> The fact that you don’t think they’re equal is just because you have more sympathy towards one end of the spectrum over the other.

Or maybe I know they aren’t equal because they aren’t. Perhaps it says more about you and only you, that you jump to such an assumption and conclusion without knowing me.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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Agreed partially. You have to question what "culture" are you missing on. I'm still on Facebook and let me tell you, you're not missing much in the culture department.

> I'm still on Facebook and let me tell you, you're not missing much in the culture department. guy above you might have deleted his fb account in the early 2000s. right now, the culture isn't at fb, it's at places like reddit and 4chan.

Early to mid 2010s, I think, and yes, I think it was more of a cultural current in some ways then.
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