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Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Everything in this comment seems well-founded and insightful, except and that's a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition . The Biden coalition is actively, overtly pro-policing, for the obvious reason that the majority of the Democratic coalition is pro-policing. Asian Americans are no part at all of the coalition's challenge, as any graph of educational attainment by race will show you; as a demographic, for '2…

I’m talking about keeping Asians in the fold long term, in a party where the folks who think the SATs are racist and what to defund the police and think corporate boards should have quotas are, even if not yet dominant, ascendant. College educated Asians aren’t similarly situated to college educated whites. Progressivism gives white democrats a vehicle for using institutions to advance their cultural values. Asians m…

Asians in the fold longterm?!

May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party?

Perhaps you accidentally said the quiet part aloud?

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Addressing "how do you add diversity" was part of your own set of operating principles until quite recently. Have you changed your mind about all this now? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I thought we would just hire more Black people, not create this absurd caste system of “diverse people” and associated purifying rituals. Also, if I’m being perfectly honest, that was before I was on the receiving end. I wasn’t the one having to attest to about my diversity a decade ago. Nobody was trying to teach my kids oppression narratives, or cultivate their non-white identity. Mea culpa. I still support it for…

Do you still support it for Black people? You could coherently support affirmative action for Black people while not accepting a complicated hierarchy of grievances (which: most people outside of Twitter and nonprofits don't).

I'm glad you support it for women, but I'm not sure what the "different in significant ways" thing means in relation to it. Almost everything thinks men and women are different in ways.

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This is a just-so story, presented without evidence. No matter who gets elected --- even a Republican! --- you could claim that a shadowy web of deep-state progressives were undermining the rulemaking process. I made a specific claim: that progressives get roflstomped in Democratic primary elections. A fantasy football debate about the Democratic party that exists in our respective minds might be fun, but it won't ge…

> Upthread, I pointed out that in contrast to the Democratic party, the fringiest, least-defensible elements of the Republican party control the party. While Republican voters are definitely nuttier than democratic voters, the intellectual institutions of the broader right are saner than those of the left. I don’t have to deal with this at Fed Soc meetings: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/northwestern-univers…

Why would anybody care what you have to deal with in a Fed Soc meeting? I care about elected officials because they can actually do things. I don't care what the Sunrise Movement does, except to dunk on them. Anybody can start any kind of "intellectual institution" (see: UATX). How much control over your own thoughts and beliefs are you going to give random collections of people in positions of self-proclaimed authority?

The reality is that if MTG becomes President, nothing about the pledge is going to change; the issue will be that she's an incompetent nitwit, and the government will fall apart and we'll make especially stupid foreign policy decisions, which is the area where the executive branch has the most authority. Likewise: despite the fact that no President the Democrats elect would support your schools forcing your kids to "build their AAPI identity" (the D party elects normies, as I keep pointing out), even if it did elect such a person, nothing would actually change, modulo their basic level of competence running the world's most complicated organization.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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I’m talking about keeping Asians in the fold long term, in a party where the folks who think the SATs are racist and what to defund the police and think corporate boards should have quotas are, even if not yet dominant, ascendant. College educated Asians aren’t similarly situated to college educated whites. Progressivism gives white democrats a vehicle for using institutions to advance their cultural values. Asians m…

Asians in the fold longterm?! May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party? Perhaps you accidentally said the quiet part aloud?

There is nothing at all unreasonable about talking about race affinities to parties; it's a hugely discussed topic (for instance: the erosion of Latino support from the Democrats in the border states).

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Why is Michael Burry worried about this subject?

More people should be worried about racially motivated violence against any group of people.

More people should also be worried about how news of violence against any group of people is used to manipulate perceptions of those people.

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It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…

Many Asians aren’t well off. In 1989, Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians had similar to higher poverty rates than African Americans, because they came here as refugees: https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1990/... . For Cambodians it was dramatically higher. Today, Vietnamese and Laotians have lower poverty rates than the national average, and Cambodians are only modestly higher. I’m Bangladeshi,…

There's more to being well off than immigrating with lots of money. For example social capital in the form of stable families, support networks and education (useful even if you can't get a job directly with it). Furthermore, immigration filters out people with criminal record.

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Asians in the fold longterm?! May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party? Perhaps you accidentally said the quiet part aloud?

There is nothing at all unreasonable about talking about race affinities to parties; it's a hugely discussed topic (for instance: the erosion of Latino support from the Democrats in the border states).

You are right that this is done frequently but that does not make it right. When Bernie lost the democratic nomination against biden for example, there were a lot of angry (and some downright racist) democrats against black people in NC who voted for biden for example.

Race being a social construct and all, expecting people to align their political views on racial dividers is enforcement of the very divisions that enable and sustain systemic racism. I can say the same thing about product marketing as well.

Should black people vote against republicans because republicans are racist? No! That is liberal racism at its best. However you can say democrats have policies and track record that demonstrates they will make changes that benefits people in specific areas who could be black,white,latino,etc... and educated voters should vote for the party that benefits them not against the party that hates them. Even though there are two parties, it is that way because of such politics.

A person being expected to vote a certain way because of birth-time biological factors is unjust and unfair at the most basic level regardless of the choices at hand.

To anyone considering voting for one party because they hate the other, please, I beg of you, if you love your country don't vote.

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There is nothing at all unreasonable about talking about race affinities to parties; it's a hugely discussed topic (for instance: the erosion of Latino support from the Democrats in the border states).

You are right that this is done frequently but that does not make it right. When Bernie lost the democratic nomination against biden for example, there were a lot of angry (and some downright racist) democrats against black people in NC who voted for biden for example. Race being a social construct and all, expecting people to align their political views on racial dividers is enforcement of the very divisions that en…

If you want to understand more about the connection between the Democratic party and Black voters, you might start with "Steadfast Democrats" by Ismail White and Chryl Laird, which goes into the history and talks a bit about how both cultural changes and changing political dynamics might change that relationship (for instance: the Black church is a huge component of Black voting).

There's nothing racist about studying and understanding these things. There's definitely something racist about saying Black people "can't" vote Republican, or should for some reason vote for Sanders (Black Democrats are to the right of white Democrats).

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You are right that this is done frequently but that does not make it right. When Bernie lost the democratic nomination against biden for example, there were a lot of angry (and some downright racist) democrats against black people in NC who voted for biden for example. Race being a social construct and all, expecting people to align their political views on racial dividers is enforcement of the very divisions that en…

If you want to understand more about the connection between the Democratic party and Black voters, you might start with "Steadfast Democrats" by Ismail White and Chryl Laird, which goes into the history and talks a bit about how both cultural changes and changing political dynamics might change that relationship (for instance: the Black church is a huge component of Black voting). There's nothing racist about studyin…

Thanks. I agree with you in that studying these things is not a problem. Expectations and assumptions in a social setting however are imo, I think I agree with you then.

It isn't just black but all sorts of other demographics including people from "fly over" midwest states that are more to the center. Same for republicans, plenty are not trumpists. The problem is no viable third party, imo, the deeper root cause is the fact that the president is elected by the people instead of legislature combined with "winner takes all" voting system. There is no requirement that stipulates in order for an executive branch of government to be valid, the majority (or even 55%+) of legislature's seats need to form a supporting coalition (this is why Israel has been without a proper government for a months now unless that changed).

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