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Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by robinhouston »

It’s a shame the article itself is not freely available, but even the published abstract gives some interesting details that the CNN report didn’t mention.

http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2011/10/28/jech-2011-20025...

In particular the abstract makes it clear that the measured associated is independent of life-course socioeconomic position.

Actually a quick search of Google Scholar throws up a number of papers on this topic, most of which seem to confirm the association reported here.

This one http://personal.lse.ac.uk/KANAZAWA/pdfs/RGP2010.pdf looks quite interesting: “The Savanna-IQ Interaction Hypothesis suggests that more intelligent individuals may be more likely to acquire and espouse evolutionarily novel values than less intelligent individuals. Consumption of alcohol, tobacco, and drugs is evolutionarily novel, so the Savanna-IQ Interaction Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume these substances.”

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

bad_user wrote: post #21
porfirio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"IQ is also correlated with revenue (probably because that's what it actually measures: socio-economic class)" False. Charles Murray compared brothers of the same household of different intelligence levels, and found significant disparities in income. http://www.eugenics.net/papers/murray.html (article originally appeared in The Telegraph) It's more accurate to say socioeconomic class measures IQ, rather than the oth…

they ultimately don't believe IQ is highly heritable, which it is I don't think anybody sane questions that, but what people are saying and that studies so far have confirmed ... 1) small variations in IQ tests don't matter, like for example the difference between 120 and 140 being negligible and depends a lot on external factors, like rest, vitamins in your blood-stream and mood ... give a person several IQ tests ov…

> Ultimately the most common complaint is that intelligence (while hereditary) is not something you can accurately measure ...

Individual IQ cannot be precisely measured. However heritability and economics studies show that it can be measured with good accuracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision

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Post by maximusprime »

buff-a wrote: post #7

FTA:It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs. "We suspect they may be more open to new experiences and are more sensation seeking," says White. The articles shy away from the elephant in the room which is that the UK and US gvts have a massive legal and propaganda effort to prevent drug use. Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda. So m…

"Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda."

That's not propaganda. It's numbers. Doing drugs = high risk. And it's stupid to take high risks with your body, unless you don't mind dying young.

I've never understood why many 'tech' people are so pro drugs. Why do you need it?

Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by teamonkey »

Alex3917 wrote: post #17
bambax wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How about alcohol? From the article: > The lead researcher says he isn't surprised by the findings. "Previous research found for the most part people with high IQs lead a healthy life, but that they are more likely to drink to excess as adults," says James White a psychologist at Cardiff University in the United Kingdom. What the article doesn't explore is the fact that drugs are expensive; isn't it possible that d…

"What the article doesn't explore is the fact that drugs are expensive" Not really. Doing enough drugs to be counted as a 'drug user' shouldn't cost more than five or ten bucks a year.

This is true. From the link:

> Then when participants turned 30, they were asked whether they had used drugs such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin in the past year.

They only need to use drugs once in the last year to qualify.

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Post by steve-howard »

keys1234 wrote: post #20

If you have a high IQ then it is that much easy for you, 1)to find what you want (age 30) than many folks , so you can drink a lot.

Dunno about finding what you want. I have a reasonably high IQ, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about where to find a dealer. I didn't even drink before I turned 21, not for lack of wanting.

Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

shin_lao wrote: post #13

Correlation isn't causation. What's the next study? People with brown eyes do more drugs? Seriously.

> What's the next study? People with brown eyes do more drugs?

Actually, that needs to be studied! Mutations in the melanocortin-1 receptor (the "red head" gene) affect eye color and also affect sensitivity to opioids (painkillers).

Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by mistermann »

maximusprime wrote: post #34
buff-a wrote: post #7

FTA:It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs. "We suspect they may be more open to new experiences and are more sensation seeking," says White. The articles shy away from the elephant in the room which is that the UK and US gvts have a massive legal and propaganda effort to prevent drug use. Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda. So m…

"Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda." That's not propaganda. It's numbers. Doing drugs = high risk. And it's stupid to take high risks with your body, unless you don't mind dying young. I've never understood why many 'tech' people are so pro drugs. Why do you need it?

Doing certain drugs = high risk.

Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by Alex3917 »

teamonkey wrote: post #35
Alex3917 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What the article doesn't explore is the fact that drugs are expensive" Not really. Doing enough drugs to be counted as a 'drug user' shouldn't cost more than five or ten bucks a year.

This is true. From the link: > Then when participants turned 30, they were asked whether they had used drugs such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin in the past year. They only need to use drugs once in the last year to qualify.

Exactly. 3.5 grams of weed sells for about $35, and a reasonable recreational dose is about .03 - .05 grams when vaporized, i.e. about 30 to 50 cents per use. You could even use marijuana once per month for less than $5 per year total.

Re: High IQ linked to drug use

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Post by sp4rki »

maximusprime wrote: post #34
buff-a wrote: post #7

FTA:It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs. "We suspect they may be more open to new experiences and are more sensation seeking," says White. The articles shy away from the elephant in the room which is that the UK and US gvts have a massive legal and propaganda effort to prevent drug use. Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda. So m…

"Indeed the idea that only stupid people do drugs is part of this propaganda." That's not propaganda. It's numbers. Doing drugs = high risk. And it's stupid to take high risks with your body, unless you don't mind dying young. I've never understood why many 'tech' people are so pro drugs. Why do you need it?

High risk? I'd argue driving on heavy traffic a payday is a whole lot more dangerous than smoking a joint while you wait for rush hour to pass. Doing drugs can be as dangerous as skydiving without a parachute or as safe as staying home a friday night... It's not the drugs that are dangerous, it's the users; the same way it's not that a toy is dangerous, but that you're giving the toy to a two year old when it meant for six year olds and up.
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