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How to stop being “terminally online”

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Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

#201

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> In casual converstation, I sometimes notice meme references or slang that I don't know, but that's about it. Not a big problem or loss IMO. It would be a loss if your cohort planned/converse using those methods of communication, and you valued doing things with that cohort.

It's not nearly that severe. In cases where I don't understand some reference, it's often clear by context. If not, I say "what does that mean?"

I should have written “exclusively planned/conversed”. As in you simply will not know about outings or get togethers, and so you simply will not see them.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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> find a hobby // i don't mean this derisively, i promise. if you use social media to kill time, try putting that time into something else - maybe something you've always wanted to do. always wanted to cook? look up a recipe and start.

I believe the author (and many other people giving this advice) are naive to the difference between “free time with mental energy to burn” — where a hobby is definitely the right answer — and “free time where you’ve already used all your mental energy for the day.”

50 years ago, someone who was mentally drained by evening-time would be “vegetating in front of the TV.” Today they’re “doomscrolling.” In both cases it’s not that they’re addicted to a certain behavior, but rather that this behavior is one of the only pastimes available to them in their current environmental context that can be executed when fully cognitively fatigued, and yet not tired enough to sleep.

I say “in their current environmental context” because living in certain places (e.g. most cities, suburbs) limits your options. In more rural areas, you can just go out for a long walk in nature, or spontaneously go fishing. In communities that are safe, walkable, and socially well-connected, you can go to a {cafe, park, mall, bar, community centre, church, …} and run into friends rather than strangers, and just hang out shooting the breeze until you get tired. But many people alive today are in environments where they have none of those options. They have to come up with a braindead pastime that can be done both alone and indoors. We didn’t evolve to do well in this situation! Anything you pick is going to end up not being very good for you!

(Before anyone suggests “reading” — you’re underestimating the level of cognitive fatigue many people reach. If you have enough mental energy at the end of the day to concentrate on reading a good book and getting the full effect of it — as opposed to having a good book just slide past you, or reading “junk food” op-ed blogposts — that’s great for you, but that amount of mental energy would also be sufficient to cook or practice an instrument. Reading — the kind that actually enriches your mind — is a hobby, not a pastime!)

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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I don't know if HN is a good place for personal advice like this; I have grown severely paranoid about what has happened around social media. I watched.. a conversation unfold in 2012. I thought at the time that I needed to de-escalate it. It kept escalating as I kept looking for a way to talk to the people involved. And, to my own perception, it grew into and took over the entire 'national conversation' that was hap…

I can't understand what you're saying, but I get that this may be a stressful topic so you are being vague. From what I see, it might be a good idea to look for some professional help if this is debilitating paranoia.

Thanks. I suppose I am being a bit too vague over all;

In terms of what it is I've grown paranoid about, it's mostly subjectively / paranoid-ly that I said 'everything'. Resolving that was a major goal I had for trying to write personal journals about this.

The other side of that is the more personal: I've lost basically all of my friends, and struggle to talk to my parents. While my emotional issues are getting in the way of trying to write out what I've grown fearful of, I also don't really know how to get in contact with anyone. That was where this post sounded relevant to me.

Moving on from a rank paranoia via internet might require first rebuilding my personal / social life somewhat, so I have something to fall back on. And doing so is blocked by that very paranoia and emotional issues. Catch-22. Being terminally online as I am, may be a help or a hindrance to trying to escape that.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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At 21 I’ve only recently started asking myself those questions, after having been “pushed” into a coding career due to some strange life circumstances, when I was actually interested in finance and medicine before. When I got promoted to Sr, colleagues going “wow, only 21”, it felt good, and I never even stopped to ask myself if I really wanted it. In a lot of senses, introspection and thinking hurts; growing hurts,…

You're a very self-aware individual. I think there are many lessons in stoicism, taoism, and buddhism that have helped me understand these concepts on an individual level. Here's an excerpt from a book I'm writing about this topic: - Through Stoicism I found a sense of moderation, seeing the world for what it is and what it is not, and focusing on what I can control and having contempt for that which I cannot. - Thro…

Thanks. I’m just starting on a long road of self improvement which began this month, after a metaphorical train of realizations (in the shape of sudden depression/anxiety) regarding my life hit me once my girlfriend left me and explained why she did.

Those 3 points about those disciplines are really interesting, I’m going to have to read more about them.

>I believe that pain doesn’t leave the body until it’s done teaching you.

I’ve slowly been coming to the same conclusion over the last month, indeed.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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post #24

It's a good guide but it only addresses fairly vacuous and not that great online activities. My Twitter feed is a collection of funniest, most deranged takes on any subject. People IRL have no chance to compete, no one can outdo the best two seconds of 800 people. Same with HN. Conversations like these are rarely happening offline. And then there are communities I sunk into. Private forums I have been a member of for…

> There is an insurmountable asymmetry that degrades any local event or exchange. Because of the infinity of content accessible 24/7, there will always be something online more informative, surprising, funny, diverting, impressive than anything in one’s immediate circumstances.

- 24/7: Late Capitalism and the Ends of Sleep" by Jonathan Crary

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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I think you are meaningfully contributing to the conversation, but you don’t get to drop a “[citation needed]” and then proceed to state your un-cited opinions.

I do in fact get to do that. The parts that were my opinions ("I think", "I see", etc) were clearly cited to me. But a fair bit of what I wrote was pointers to things people can look up. If there's something apparently factual that you're having trouble looking up, let me know and I'm glad to give you a pointer. Because I'm happy to give citations when people ask for them. The reason I put a "citation needed" in was…

Growing up I do not remember political associations to be so strong in folks. Twenty years ago, when 9/11 hit, we put aside our differences in a remarkable display of national unity. (Granted, not all good came out of this; a number of racial groups saw a ton of negative attention at the time. But even with that, the climate felt like one of unity, at least for me.) Comedians like Trey Parker/Matt Stone, Dave Chapelle, even Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert would regularly poke the bear on a wide range of social issues without constantly sparking nationwide outrages.

Now, we have... this: an endless cacophony of unqualified and undeserving voices spouting off whatever they want, for every purpose other than advancing productive debate. Where all get to be heard regardless of merit, yet original ideas suppressed because of pedantry (like "citation needed") and not having the backing of the melange of different social issues and media idols that we suffer under today. I don't think the political climate has been so stifling since at least McCarthyism, and for this I blame Twitter and social media.

I don't understand how you think such flowery, subjective language constitutes an objective statement of reality; all of my input into this matter is pretty clearly stated as opinion and observations outlined serve to reinforce it.

Besides, sitting there banging out "Citation Needed" like this was fucking Wikipedia is a crass, petulant move, and wholly inappropriate for something as counterfactual as a comment board. You can save the nitpicking for r/AskHistorians, where the rules clearly require it.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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A lot of good questions to ask yourself here. But, > have you ever used/applied "internet slang" (cringe, based, cuck, chad) in/to real-life situations? I take slight issue with this one. To me, there is no difference between “internet slang” and just “slang”. The internet is ubiquitous and the language we use online and offline is largely the same now. Didn’t always be this way. I still remember the first time I hea…

>I take slight issue with this one. To me, there is no difference between “internet slang” and just “slang”. The internet is ubiquitous and the language we use online and offline is largely the same now.

Some yes, otherwise you'd be surprised... In many circles and communities it's not the same at all - and even developments the 'social media'-inmates take for well known, are not a thing discussed at all...

It's like the "silent majority" of working programmers, who don't give a duck about HN, Rust, the latest trends in web and backend, and so on...

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

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post #39

A lot of good questions to ask yourself here. But, > have you ever used/applied "internet slang" (cringe, based, cuck, chad) in/to real-life situations? I take slight issue with this one. To me, there is no difference between “internet slang” and just “slang”. The internet is ubiquitous and the language we use online and offline is largely the same now. Didn’t always be this way. I still remember the first time I hea…

During the piratebay trial, one of the founders got a question about if he had met someone IRL. He replied with that they don't use that expression but AFK (away from keyboard) instead. Becuase IRL (in real life) suggests that internet is not real life, but it is. What we do online effects our every day life even when we are offline. I thought that was very sane thinking

Perhaps that was the case for him, because he was already in the situation discussed by the author.

Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

#209

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I can be online constantly and escape whatever the flavour of the month is. The only time it bites me in the ass is when I get banned for not being up to date on whatever everyone good and decent has to agree with to be good and decent.

If you are getting banned regularly from online communities you might want to reconsider why that is happening

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Re: How to stop being “terminally online”

#210

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>mom is too busy with Facebook again That sent shivers down my spine, wow.

Unfortunately it's not unusual: "I wish mum's phone was never invented"[0] [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44224319

It’s so sad, I wonder if we’ll ever learn the full impact on kids from their parents’ phone addictions. I recently took my daughter to a playground and watched in horror another young couple there. Their 5 year old was nearly crying for them to pay attention and play with her, but there were mom and dad: hunched over their phones, doing that zoned-out zombie stumble-walk that people do when they are addict-scrolling. Really heartbreaking.
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