The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
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Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#2I feel I'm missing some paranoid back story here, but the Asians, Native Americans, Hawaiian's and others are included in the "other" category.
Good to see crime continuing its long decline though.
Looking up the report the table is a summary of lists the Asian group out seperatly.
Seems like the numbers for "Asian" went down and "other" went up so they combined them for the summary.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf
Looks like it declined again in the more recent report
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/criminal-victimizat...
edit: worth also mentioning, this is crime, not just "hate-crime" data.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#3I feel I'm missing some paranoid back story here, but the Asians, Native Americans, Hawaiian's and others are included in the "other" category. Good to see crime continuing its long decline though. Looking up the report the table is a summary of lists the Asian group out seperatly. Seems like the numbers for "Asian" went down and "other" went up so they combined them for the summary. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/p…
At least in the screenshots posted, "other" was only an option for offenders, not victims.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#4There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information.
At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite being "brown," and despite being from a "developing" country, are overwhelmingly overrepresented in upper economic echelons. This holds true not just when compared to natively born Americans, but also when controlling for immigration and starting economic conditions. They're also extremely underrepresented in violent crime statistics. Many of these figures remain consistent across the board for Asians living in the US, despite living in a system "designed to explicitly benefit white men." The"model minority myth" is a pathetic manipulation of information in an attempt to account for the narrative-breaking statistics regarding Asian immigrants.
When it comes to violence against Asians, there are multiple reasons to muddy the waters, because there are multiple reasons why statistics cause problems. For one, it has been well established that the "racial" group that is overrepresented in violence against Asians is not "white" people. This is clearly a large problem on its own, but it isn't the only problem. The other problem is seeing how disproportionately low violent crime is within the Asian community, even when controlling for economic factors.
TL;DR this is unacceptable, but at least for now, completely predictable. In a decade or so, however, the information we had a year ago could be considered out of date, and narratives can be shielded from data.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#5I feel I'm missing some paranoid back story here, but the Asians, Native Americans, Hawaiian's and others are included in the "other" category. Good to see crime continuing its long decline though. Looking up the report the table is a summary of lists the Asian group out seperatly. Seems like the numbers for "Asian" went down and "other" went up so they combined them for the summary. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/p…
At least in the screenshots posted, "other" was only an option for offenders, not victims.
Yeah, it's a summary and “Asian, Native American, Native Alaskan, 2 or more races, Pacific islander, etc." didn't have very many samples so they grouped them.
There's more detail in the reports I linked, both offender and victim.
Notably one of the items has this warning note:
"! Interpret with caution. Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or coefficient of variation is greater than 50%."
As this is survey data so like polling they have to multiply responses to get the final answer and once you start subdividing by victim demographic and crime type and offender demographic, you're hitting the limits of what useful info you can extract without it just being random noise.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#6There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information. At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite be…
It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too.
If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies.
This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America.
To view things from the perspective of race just seems to miss a lot of essential substance.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#7I feel I'm missing some paranoid back story here, but the Asians, Native Americans, Hawaiian's and others are included in the "other" category. Good to see crime continuing its long decline though. Looking up the report the table is a summary of lists the Asian group out seperatly. Seems like the numbers for "Asian" went down and "other" went up so they combined them for the summary. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/p…
I don't see in the 2020 report the same chart, breaking down race for victim and offender. Am I missing it?
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#8I feel I'm missing some paranoid back story here, but the Asians, Native Americans, Hawaiian's and others are included in the "other" category. Good to see crime continuing its long decline though. Looking up the report the table is a summary of lists the Asian group out seperatly. Seems like the numbers for "Asian" went down and "other" went up so they combined them for the summary. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/p…
I don't see in the 2020 report the same chart, breaking down race for victim and offender. Am I missing it?
It's there (table 5); it's just formatted differently. Presumably the original poster decided not to include it, as it added the footnote "Victims of other races are not shown separately due to small numbers of sample cases", which doesn't fit his framing.
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#9There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information. At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite be…
It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…
Many Indian subpopulations have been oppressed for multiple times longer than the United States even existed, yet don't have the same problems. Why do you have such low expectations for a population with 5x the murder rate?
Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…
Many Indian subpopulations have been oppressed for multiple times longer than the United States even existed, yet don't have the same problems. Why do you have such low expectations for a population with 5x the murder rate?
And do you think the most oppressed had the chance to immigrate to America?