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Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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Post by vladvasiliu »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #278
vladvasiliu wrote: post #218

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> Why do they do this? Because many high quality manufacturers (Samsung, LG) don't approve their cells for usage in vaping devices Interesting. In France, there's a vape shop that advertises batteries as Samsung, Sony, etc. For instance: https://www.lepetitvapoteur.com/en/batteries/5185-samsung-30... Although, I do have a pair of these in front of me right now, bought a few years ago, and I can't find any mention of…

Seems like a shady vape shop then if they still advertise it.

I've found another vape shop advertising those [0]. I would have expected consumer protection to crack down on them for false advertising, since this is in France and these shops have been operating for at least two years. They also have physical locations, so it's not like they're some kind of "dark store" that moves every week...

[0] https://www.lepetitfumeur.fr/accessoires-cigarette-electroni...

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edit: Even Conrad, supposedly an old store, is selling these things. They're advertised as batteries for "industrial solutions".

https://www.conrad.com/p/samsung-icr18650-26-non-standard-ba...

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Post by osigurdson »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #175
osigurdson wrote: post #139

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It is nice that laptops are now often USB-C powered.

On all phones I owned USB-C port weared out very quickly, so it couldn't be charged and data couldn't be transferred anymore. And it's pretty expensive to repair a USB-C port on a device. I now charge them exclusively wirelessly, and try to pace data connections, conserving the precious resource that is USB-C port longevity.

That is too bad. I thought (hoped) that they did a lot of work on the mechanical robustness of USB-C. I hope it isn't as bad as Apple's lightning connector.

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Post by idsout »

imtringued wrote: post #217
causality0 wrote: post #177

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Personally I hate the trend of only charging over type-c. It's an order of magnitude less robust and far more prone to falling out than, say, a ThinkPad connector. Having the option is nice but I despise having to babysit my $100 Asus charger lest I stomp it flat by accident.

I don't know what you mean. I plug my USB-C dock with dual monitors into my laptop, I don't even have the option to not charge my laptop while I'm using it at work.

Mind sharing which dock and monitors you use?

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Post by gsich »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #280
gsich wrote: post #258

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You lose on port if you only charge.

Let me provide an alternative way of thinking about it: you _gain_ one port when you're not charging. If we replaced the usb-c charging port with a normal charging port you would permanently lose it.

Not replaced, in addition. Like Apple does.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

detaro wrote: post #59
eru wrote: post #57

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> Doing the same with LED lighting is pure corporate greed. How does it help the corporation make more money?

by forcing customers to buy new ones more often?

Wouldn't this sort of be a prisoner's dilemma sort of situation? The cartel hinges on every producer being complicit, if they are they get all long term small advantage, if they aren't, they and they alone get a huge short term advantage to the detriment of everyone else.

If a single one of them doesn't play ball and start selling "forever lamps" that last a hundred years (slap some patents on running LEDs at their rating, why not), they'll effectively salt the earth for the entire market.

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Post by eru »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #169
eru wrote: post #75

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No conspiracy required. YouTube is famous for supporting really old stuff, Netflix doesn't both quite as much. So, I have an original iPad Air from 2013. Apple is no longer providing updates, and Netflix has long stopped working. But Youtube keeps trucking on just fine. I assume thanks to heroic and soulsucking efforts by the developers. (I remember when I did something as trivial as working on a few web frontends on…

BTW the websites for Netflix and YouTube should work on Safari.

Netflix doesn't. At least you can't play anything.

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Post by pca006132 »

glowingly wrote: post #268
ornornor wrote: post #259

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You can tweak a laptop’s energy settings so that it has comparable battery life whether it’s running windows or Linux. But no, a laptop that has 8h of runtime in windows won’t magically get 20h in Linux.

I would be lucky if my Thinkpad X1C6 would get the same battery life in Linux as it did in Windows. It usually does well, if I don't open the web browser. As such, despite running 5.18, Wayland, Firefox, "latest nonfree version of ffmpeg with actual 264 codecs," etc etc etc, GPU accelerated decoding of videos is still too much to ask for in FF or MPV. VLC sometimes does it. Sometimes - usually after making sure I hav…

What codec did you try? I'm using Firefox on Linux as well, but hardware decoding seems fine, power consumption reported by powertop is not too high (1.5W?).

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Post by eru »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #295
detaro wrote: post #59

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by forcing customers to buy new ones more often?

Wouldn't this sort of be a prisoner's dilemma sort of situation? The cartel hinges on every producer being complicit, if they are they get all long term small advantage, if they aren't, they and they alone get a huge short term advantage to the detriment of everyone else. If a single one of them doesn't play ball and start selling "forever lamps" that last a hundred years (slap some patents on running LEDs at their r…

And new competitors can enter the market, and existing producers know that.

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Post by ornornor »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #284
ornornor wrote: post #225

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I use Linux 95% of the time. When a game doesn’t work in Linux, I simply reboot into windows. Same with my CAD package that will never run in Linux (or a VM for that matter).

I did the dualboot thing for a couple of years, but it's a hassle to have to close all your open windows, tabs, documents etc. These days I'd rather just run a single OS.

This, or have some kind of suspend mode on steroids where everything is back like you left it when rebooting. Kinda like being able to hibernate windows and Linux when rebooting into the other.

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Post by eru »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #249
vladvasiliu wrote: post #239

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We would, since I'd argue most people (hence, "the market") find having sealed batteries "acceptable", or, at least, not reason enough to not buy the product. Most of the people I know replace their phones often enough that it doesn't seem to be a problem, and usually the battery isn't the issue. They mostly break them / get stolen / they just want the new shiny.

Thep problem with Market Extremists, is they they are so high on their own supply, they do not notice when they make statements that outright contradict the real world we live in. They live in a separate fantasy land, just like communists do. Fist falsifiable statement about e-waste policies - if it is so easy to read a company's e-waste policy, could you tell me which companies had policies that said "we will ship t…

Majority of people _say_ that they prefer removable batteries. But what people say and what they actually do are different things.
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