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The fine art of Italian hand gestures: A vintage visual dictionary (2012)

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Re: The fine art of Italian hand gestures: A vintage visual dictionary (2012)

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post #6

now I am interested in the vulgar ones

For example: https://youtu.be/wEhLURFsfSg?t=222 which literally means "suck my dick", but used in a discourse is more akin to a response you give when someone asks you to do something there's no way you're going to do.

Also: https://youtu.be/wEhLURFsfSg?t=526 meaning "fucking".

Re: The fine art of Italian hand gestures: A vintage visual dictionary (2012)

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In 2010 a newer dictionary of gestures was made, the Author (Fabio Caon) also made a set of videos of the gestures (there was a DVD attached to this new dictionary), and published them as videos on youtube, links on his page here (Italian): https://www.itals.it/gesti-degli-italiani

I have that book. Caon was my SO's thesis advisor.

The interesting part about that book is that it also points out whether the gesture has a different meaning in other cultures. For example it says the gesture for "OK" that you do by making a circle with your thumb and index finger has a vulgar meaning in Russia (iirc).

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It's worth noting is available in a multi-language edition[1].

In Italian weddings is customary to give a "bomboniera" to guests, a small party favour as a souvenir and thanks for their attendance.

Usually it consists of some formal bullshit like a silver spoon or small ceramic thing. My wife and I wanted something a bit more fun and Munari's "supplemento al dizionario italiano" become ours.

[1]https://www.amazon.it/italiano-Supplement-dictionary-Supplem...

Re: The fine art of Italian hand gestures: A vintage visual dictionary (2012)

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Every time I rewatch the Sopranos, the "non me ne importa" gesture gets into my vocabulary for a while. (I think of it more as the "vaffanculo" gesture though, as it almost always accompanies this phrase in the show).

It has this wonderful quality of vulgar, spiteful dismissal that we don't have a good expression for in English - although the somewhat common "jerk off" gesture is similar in intent, that one is pretty nsfw.

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Every time I rewatch the Sopranos, the "non me ne importa" gesture gets into my vocabulary for a while. (I think of it more as the "vaffanculo" gesture though, as it almost always accompanies this phrase in the show). It has this wonderful quality of vulgar, spiteful dismissal that we don't have a good expression for in English - although the somewhat common "jerk off" gesture is similar in intent, that one is pretty…

The fuck you want, a boutonniere?

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Every time I rewatch the Sopranos, the "non me ne importa" gesture gets into my vocabulary for a while. (I think of it more as the "vaffanculo" gesture though, as it almost always accompanies this phrase in the show). It has this wonderful quality of vulgar, spiteful dismissal that we don't have a good expression for in English - although the somewhat common "jerk off" gesture is similar in intent, that one is pretty…

> Every time I rewatch the Sopranos

Those are Americans, not Italians.

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I'm not Italian, but Argentinian and it's funny how we have most of these, though some of the definitions are slightly weird to me, for example, the one on the cover means "what", back tips of the fingers on the chin means "I don't know". There's also a very interesting one we have, idk where it comes from, where one closes the fingers and bends the thumb a couple of times, sometimes accompanied by saying "minga", wh…

> back tips of the fingers over the chin

Yes, but the "no me importa" gesture sweeps over the chin.

Re: The fine art of Italian hand gestures: A vintage visual dictionary (2012)

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> Wittgenstein was insisting that a proposition and what it describes must have the same 'logical form', the same 'logical multiplicity'. Sraffa made a gesture, familiar to Neapolitans as meaning something like disgust or contempt, of brushing the underneath of his chin with an outward sweep of the finger-tips of one hand. And he asked: 'What is the logical form of that?'

> In the introduction to Philosophical Investigations, Wittgenstein mentions discussions with Sraffa over many years and says: "I am indebted to this stimulus for the most consequential ideas in this book".

Wittgenstein wrote two major books, the second of which basically undoes everything the first did. In the middle of that is Sraffa, presumably triggering a crisis of faith.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piero_Sraffa#Personal_connecti...

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