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Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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It is interesting to use a library as a model, but I would be amazed that you could get any particular company to understand and implement it. I could see teams having dedicated coworking areas that are extended from a large central open area. But, I could also predict that people would just carry their discussions into the open area, and constantly walk up and disturb the peace by asking "quick questions" anyway. An…

I'm curious about how we got to a place where we can assume that our colleagues will disrespect other colleagues and laugh at those asking for more respect. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there is something quite horrid about a working culture where we think that might ever happen. If you say "this big open space is like a library: no fixed desks, sit where you want; we expect quiet, there is a 'librarian' who is e…

One of my first jobs was IT for a University, and due to limited space, our team was housed in the University library. It was honestly fantastically handled by the Librarians as they addressed this by using the building space as a visual guide for the students and visitors.

The library had three floors and the rule was the higher the floor, the more you must absolutely uphold the "stay quiet" rule, and the design choices really spoke to this. The first floor (noise = okay) had open work areas; tables without barriers and multiple sockets, no walls between computers, vending machines, couches and other places situated for casual conversation/collaboration.

The second floor still had some open tables, but virtually every work space had some form of enclosure to it. There were also considerably more book shelves that guarded off each work space so it naturally lent itself to having barriers and privacy, and this led to quietness.

Third floor was the most densely packed book floor and the only working spaces were private enclosed ones, and there were far more of these alcoves that were basically a desk + socket for your electronics + lamp. Even the main lighting on the upper floors was different to give a calmer feel.

This worked extremely well as even first years and visitors just implicitly understood from the design that you could have a nice conversation on the first floor (shouting and screaming of course was still stopped, and no music without headphones (and even people who had headphones that leaked noise were held accountable pretty strictly)), but it seemed that the way the workspaces on the other floors were designed led to this quite nicely. The books of course helped asa natural barrier for the 2nd and 3rd floors to intercept other noises without incident.

My current work place, my team has an open floor plan due to a new temporary building and they're still feeling it out. Luckily the team has mostly understood that this is a new situation and they need to be respectful of the fact that they're in a shared space, but as the teams get more comfortable with the building, this is eroding a bit. I can't help but think that the same visual cueing would help a lot to give the impression of "this place is okay for an open conversation, this place is for people who need to focus."

> Perhaps part of the problem is in an open _public_ space like a library, the only person with authority is the librarian. In a company, that person is going to be a mid-level manager at best - what happens when a more senior manager decides they are going to break those rules?

The sad answer is that this sort of position needs a dedicated well-being manager or office manager to guide such items. It can't be a dual role with the primary work, it must be someone whose goal is to ensure the workplace is representing the needs of all employees, and then guiding people to where they can have such conversations and enforcing the zoning. My company has a well-being manager and she takes the job quite seriously in that she is always looking to get feedback on what people need while still enforcing the policies that are created to ensure a healthy work environment.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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There no point comparing a library to a work open space.

Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work if it is to have the rules of a library?

Not interacting with colleagues, not calling, not listening others speaking to know what is currently going on the company...

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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So back in the day we solved the open office problem by putting walks and doors around each worker. We moved premises and took the opportunity to give everyone a (small) office with a door. About 70% of our actual floor plan was for common open space - big kitchen, diner, lounge etc. But for work you had a private space with a door. Over 10 years later we bought another company and had their local staff over for a vi…

Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo. We should try having more actual offices before we declare it equal but different to the elementrary school recess that are open office plans.

> Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo.

Never having worked in a cubicle, I wonder: don't those dividers actually help a bit with noise? Sure, I don't expect them to be individual-office level quiet, but still better than fully open.

I used to work in a building where one "open-office" had dividers mounted on the desks, reaching about the screen height, with carpeted floors and some kind of sound absorbing panels on the ceilings. It was extremely quiet compared to the other "regular" offices that only had the carpets.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo. We should try having more actual offices before we declare it equal but different to the elementrary school recess that are open office plans.

> Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo. Never having worked in a cubicle, I wonder: don't those dividers actually help a bit with noise? Sure, I don't expect them to be individual-office level quiet, but still better than fully open. I used to work in a building where one "open-office" had dividers mounted on the desks, reaching about the…

They don't give any respite from the noise. At most they give you a bit of privacy from people staring at your screen. And most mini-cubicles these days don't even help with keeping someone from staring at your screen from behind. It's downright creepy. I very much agree with the wire-cages for monkeys at a zoo comment.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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There no point comparing a library to a work open space. Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work if it is to have the rules of a library? Not interacting with colleagues, not calling, not listening others speaking to know what is currently going on the company...

There are people who like structure in their life. Working from home every day is not what they want. But, then, in the office one needs to work, hence some space that allows you to focus is a necessity.

For the record I do not like going to the office because of the above mentioned reasons. Furthermore, my home office has better equipment. My wife on the contrary loves going to the office although she could work from home.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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There no point comparing a library to a work open space. Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work if it is to have the rules of a library? Not interacting with colleagues, not calling, not listening others speaking to know what is currently going on the company...

> Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work...

Exactly, there's no point going to work physically together unless you're building something physical.

Interaction with colleagues works extremely well using technology: text messages, emails, conference calls, one-to-one video calls, and even the "metaverse" if you're into cutting edge stuff.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#57

There no point comparing a library to a work open space. Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work if it is to have the rules of a library? Not interacting with colleagues, not calling, not listening others speaking to know what is currently going on the company...

There are people who like structure in their life. Working from home every day is not what they want. But, then, in the office one needs to work, hence some space that allows you to focus is a necessity. For the record I do not like going to the office because of the above mentioned reasons. Furthermore, my home office has better equipment. My wife on the contrary loves going to the office although she could work fro…

> My wife on the contrary loves going to the office although she could work from home.

Does she go to the office for the actual work? Or because she is social?

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people who like structure in their life. Working from home every day is not what they want. But, then, in the office one needs to work, hence some space that allows you to focus is a necessity. For the record I do not like going to the office because of the above mentioned reasons. Furthermore, my home office has better equipment. My wife on the contrary loves going to the office although she could work fro…

> My wife on the contrary loves going to the office although she could work from home. Does she go to the office for the actual work? Or because she is social?

Both? Can she work better in a social setting? Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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There no point comparing a library to a work open space. Please, tell me what is the point to go physically at work in an open space instead of doing remote work if it is to have the rules of a library? Not interacting with colleagues, not calling, not listening others speaking to know what is currently going on the company...

I think there's a straw-man there: "why build a workplace with rules that prevent work?"

Personally, I'd find a workplace with a library area great. But I wouldn't want or prescribe a workplace that is entirely a library.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo. We should try having more actual offices before we declare it equal but different to the elementrary school recess that are open office plans.

> Very few people get to actually try out the cell. Cubicles aren't offices. They're wire cages for moneys at the zoo. Never having worked in a cubicle, I wonder: don't those dividers actually help a bit with noise? Sure, I don't expect them to be individual-office level quiet, but still better than fully open. I used to work in a building where one "open-office" had dividers mounted on the desks, reaching about the…

These days everyone spends their in-office time on zoom calls with their coworkers, and no amount of blankets dividing the workspace is able to absorb the constant "You're on mute Bob" that fills the office air.
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