Live data from Hacker News

Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

mtajchert.com

11–20 of 86 posts

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#11
My local library could learn something from this layout. I'm afraid that most of us taxpayers can't afford a renowned British architect like this. My library is designed more like an office space, and comparing these with the article, I can see the flaws too.

My library has a hodgepodge of flat tables for 4, easy chairs, a few carrels, study rooms that can be reserved, a cafe with a dining area, etc. The computer labs are like sardine tins. This British library was designed thus because everybody went to the library to read books and write on paper, but since my library includes packets of vegetable seeds and tickets to museums, everybody goes to the library to do all sorts of disparate things, so the furniture must be versatile enough to accommodate everything, while discouraging sleeping.

Libraries formerly observed a strict code of silence, and this floorplan appears to cater to solitary readers, so a library, being filled with solitary patrons pursuing their own research goals, does not serve as an analog to a workspace with teams who collaborate and communicate actively.

The worst jobs I ever held were in call centers. I pity everyone who phones me from a call center because I can hear the cacophony behind them. It was truly impossible for me to concentrate or hear myself think. Working alone in a modern library is a little better than that.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#12

I think once you allow eating at the tables and have everyone hammering their keyboards (as opposed to mostly reading) there won't be much of a difference to an open office anymore

Four hundred programmers, all in the same room, tapping away intermittently at their big, loud, mechanical keyboards. Swirling about the room as some people start cranking out the code at high speed, some pause to think and debug. You can hear when the whole team is in the groove and bringing that Lines Of Code metric up, but the sound of that one person thoughtfully, slowly, refactoring, and deleting reams of now-obsolete source vanishes in the rattle.

Nobody speaks. Nobody plays music. There is just the Clacking.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#13
post #4

When sharing a small office my coworkers and I would talk a fair bit. Later I moved to a newly-remodeled space and I’ll give my coworkers credit: it was very quiet there, much like a library. Which meant there was little reason to go into the office. I think for collaboration, you want a nice team room (much like a meeting room) where everyone there is actually working together on the same project.

[deleted]

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#15
Thinking about my favorite libraries, this is what strikes me most: many people before and many people after will find inspiration in the same place. The people will change, the books will change, but the culture of respect for quiet (and thus concentration) will (hopefully) live on.

This idea of the place inspiring beyond ourselves is wonderful.

So, why not find ways of inspiring their employees beyond that particular job? ... What if more companies found ways to inspire people in very honest ways?

I don't particularly like corporate-speak on the walls or vague mission statements. But if there was a way to remind people of the following message, I think it would go a long way: "People will work here for varying lengths of time. While they are here, treat each other with respect. Let's share the best of ourselves. When these efforts align, our organization thrives, and we can keep working together in ways that we can feel good about."

The corollary, I think, would be "If we have to treat each other like sh*t in order for our company to be successful, what the heck are we doing here?" I somewhat prefer the negative phrasing.

Apologies for the idealism. Ultimately, messaging is only as good as its authenticity and follow up. If a company says e.g. "Come to Hooli to do your best work" and then offers ineffective working spaces, it is time to add an asterisk; e.g. "* under the constraints of having to work in a loud, unproductive, distracting environment."

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#16
post #2

With remote work, open spaces from hell are (hopefully) a thing of the past, but key learnings on proper room culture are still valid after almost 200 years. How 400 people can work in deep focus in library but cannot do the same in company open space?

Maybe I have a psychological problem that most people don't have, but I can't work on a monitor that is publicly visible.

It isn't just you. I couldn't stand having my monitors facing other people when I had to work in an open space, even though I only ever had work on it.

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#18
post #2

With remote work, open spaces from hell are (hopefully) a thing of the past, but key learnings on proper room culture are still valid after almost 200 years. How 400 people can work in deep focus in library but cannot do the same in company open space?

Who will be the library nazi that kicks you out when you talk too loudly?

We don't need to refer to a librarian that way. Yeah, I know, Seinfeld did it. It isn't funny or interesting. It is a cliché. Let's try to choose our language so that our history and language can hold onto meanings that matter.

There is a Star Trek TNG episode called Darmok that describes a culture that only speaks in metaphor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

Surely we have a better metaphor for a meek but powerful librarian than ...

> Who will be the library nazi that kicks you out when you talk too loudly?

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#19
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will be the library nazi that kicks you out when you talk too loudly?

We don't need to refer to a librarian that way. Yeah, I know, Seinfeld did it. It isn't funny or interesting. It is a cliché. Let's try to choose our language so that our history and language can hold onto meanings that matter. There is a Star Trek TNG episode called Darmok that describes a culture that only speaks in metaphor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok Surely we have a better metaphor for a meek but power…

[flagged]

Re: Libraries – how companies do not understand open spaces

#20
post #2

With remote work, open spaces from hell are (hopefully) a thing of the past, but key learnings on proper room culture are still valid after almost 200 years. How 400 people can work in deep focus in library but cannot do the same in company open space?

Maybe I have a psychological problem that most people don't have, but I can't work on a monitor that is publicly visible.

I feel something similar, like I need to make sure my screen always ‘looks’ like work regardless of if its actually work, so it becomes performative
Post reply on HN