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Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We had to heavily regulate the food industry to prevent bad actors from causing negative effects, [...] Sounds like 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' to me.

What? Do you have some specific argument that you want to make against food industry regulations, or are you just trying to point out logical fallacies?

As people get richer, they can and will afford better food, including from suppliers with better reputation.

As people get richer, they also often tend to demand stricter regulation, but that doesn't necessarily mean the regulation is the driving factor.

The Chinese market for eg baby formula might be a good example. On average, baby formula consumed in China today is less dodgy than it was in the past.

A big part of that is because everyone in China who can afford to will use imported baby formula. Places like Australia haven't really changed their regulation much, but their products made up a larger share of the Chinese market over time, just because more Chinese became rich enough.

In parallel, driven by the same public sentiment that drives the import business, Chinese authorities have enacted stricter and stricter regulation for local baby formula.

In this case, consumer preference is driving a move towards higher quality. Competition from overseas suppliers is a key factor in helping consumers vote their preferences with their wallets. Regulation plays a trailing role at best.

Of course, when you look back in a few decades and compare the quality of baby formula in 1990 vs 2050 in China you will both notice an enormous increase in quality and increasingly strict regulation.

It will be very easy to spin the story that the regulation drove the increase in quality.

P.S. For a similar example, have a look at https://www.econlib.org/find-the-date-of-osha/

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We had to heavily regulate the food industry to prevent bad actors from causing negative effects, [...] Sounds like 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' to me.

Are you suggesting that it might be just coincidental that companies stopped putting chalk dust in milk at about the same time that doing so became illegal?

Citation needed.

See what I wrote for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32373369 and also have a look at https://www.econlib.org/find-the-date-of-osha/

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #54

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> As this article pointed out, there's a vast asymmetry of information, which prevents an efficient market, even in theory. What kind of theory are you using here? There might be some theoretical reasons to expect that symmetric information (and a few other conditions) will lead to an efficient market. But that doesn't mean that a pre-existing information symmetry is necessary for an efficient market. The classic exa…

> the business solution to this problem is fairly straightforward and profitable: reputation. "Reputation" is yet more information that is both well known to and distorted by businesses. It's no kind of counterbalance to information asymmetry, it's just another example of it.

You seem to assume that businesses are some kind of mythical, omnipotent entities?

In contrast, for many of my needs, I find it relatively easy to buy high quality items even where there's a vast information asymmetry, as long as I am willing to shell out for products from companies with stellar reputations.

Granted that's neither foolproof nor applicable for every product or service. It can also get really expensive really fast.

But: given your comment, it sounds like that strategy shouldn't work at all, and even companies with ostensibly great reputations should sell me only trash?

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #9

I've made AirPods last longer than any other pair of earbuds I've ever had. It's the cord. For me, a max of six months of fiddling with the damn thing and it breaks. I've had real headphones last quite a bit longer— but I buy the ones with replaceable cords. The pair I still have is on its fourth cord and second pair of muffs. I don't view it as any sort of economic, human, or environmental catastrophe, that they sto…

> I've made AirPods last longer than any other pair of earbuds I've ever had. same... now if only i could easily replace the batteries, it would be almost perfect (they just die on me mid-call sometimes)

There are services like this where you can exchange your Airpods for ones with replaced batteries! Note that I've never done it and can't vouch for the quality. I just read about it on HN once.

https://www.theswapclub.com/collections/airpod-swaps

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #50

My Samsung TV has built-in apps for Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. Currently both of them fail with generic "oops, try again later" error messages despite things like YouTube working fine. My conspiracy theory is that they've just end-of-lifed the apps on that TV model and don't have the balls to tell me.

No conspiracy required.

YouTube is famous for supporting really old stuff, Netflix doesn't both quite as much.

So, I have an original iPad Air from 2013. Apple is no longer providing updates, and Netflix has long stopped working. But Youtube keeps trucking on just fine. I assume thanks to heroic and soulsucking efforts by the developers.

(I remember when I did something as trivial as working on a few web frontends once, and how I loathed supporting anything but the most recent browsers. So supporting age old devices with Youtube is probably much, much more annoying for the devs.)

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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I think the smart thing to do now is to buy products with the fewest features as possible and has decoupled components like easily replaceable batteries. I've noticed that the dumber the device is, the longer it usually lasts. I'd rather buy an analog watch than a smartwatch. I'd rather have a dumb TV than a smart TV. I'd rather have a mouse with hot swappable batteries than one with a built-in charger.

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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I wonder if there is a market for higher end products that are truly built to last. Not so much things like cell phones (although I believe it should be mandatory that the batteries be easily replacable)... more like large appliances: refrigerators, washing machines, etc. Like, how hard would it be to separate all the little stupid useless features from the hardcore functional ones and make it so that things like control panels on washers are easy to replace when they malfunction?

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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Why is this a link to archive.org? If you like articles like this and want them to continue, link the source.

Paywall

Easily opened incognito. How do you expect articles like this to be written without ads, which this community often derides, or subscriptions?

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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post #7

My favorite mouse is the logitech anywhere mx original. It runs for months in two AA batteries. They don't make these anymore and the newer ones all have built in lipo death clocks. I try to buy all of my new electronics with this lesson in mind.

I loved the original MX Anywhere too, but I found that iFixit offers a replacement Lipo for the MX Anywhere 3

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Logitech+MX+Anywhere+3+Battery+...

It looks approximately as difficult as changing the battery on a smartphone.

Knowing that the battery could be changed gave me the piece of mind to switch.

The battery management on the MXA 3 is really good - lasts a very long time and is quick to charge on USB-C. The Logi Bolt has been trouble-free. Changing to other devices via bluetooth is handy if you have multiple computers. The magnetic hyperscroll takes a little getting used to but uses a lot less force to switch modes.

Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret

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I think the smart thing to do now is to buy products with the fewest features as possible and has decoupled components like easily replaceable batteries. I've noticed that the dumber the device is, the longer it usually lasts. I'd rather buy an analog watch than a smartwatch. I'd rather have a dumb TV than a smart TV. I'd rather have a mouse with hot swappable batteries than one with a built-in charger.

My mice (and keyboards) need tails! Plug those in and keep them light, responsive, and secure.
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