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AI generated, command whatever you want. It will generate mind-blowing images

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Re: AI generated, command whatever you want. It will generate mind-blowing images

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Post by anigbrowl »

petercooper wrote: post #62
r_hoods_ghost wrote: post #4

The output is quite cool, but why on earth have they locked interaction with it away in discord instead of having it available in the web? It basically guarantees that most people won't know about it, won't interact with it, and won't be able to view the results. It's just a deeply weird design decision.

It basically guarantees that most people won't know about it, won't interact with it, and won't be able to view the results. That's good for now. It's early days and it's pretty busy already. I don't like Discord much but I'll admit it's a pretty good interface for something like MJ as you can see (and be inspired by) other people's prompts and discuss the process in a live way. The amount of realtime product feedbac…

Discord is a slick chatroom experience, less good for asynchronous communication and really not secure.

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olalonde wrote: post #40

If I was an artist, I'd be really scared right now.

I'm less than enthused about all these products. Are the results impressive? Very. But it's to the point where they're making a lot of creative endeavors financially worthless, which is eventually going to mean fewer and fewer people develop any of those skills.

Cornucopians naturally point to all the many new possibilities and argue that this is a net benefit for humanity, but in general people make such arguments about things they perceive as a net benefit for themselves; with huge ML models you get text, art, music or whatever manufactured on demand, and you get to feel creative in the sense of museum and gallery curators being adjacent to historical or artistic items. The problem is that you can feel like this all day, but you won't be any more able to perform absent the aid of a digital prosthesis.

It's very 'don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product.'

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Post by marssaxman »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #58
marssaxman wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a strange choice, all right. I had some fun with Wombo, and this looks much more interesting - but I'm not going to go figure out Discord, and potentially have to deal with a bunch of crazy gamer kids, just to try it. Presumably they will make a better interface available as they shift from early testing to productization.

You don’t have to figure out Discord or deal with “gamer kids”. You literally need 1 commands to use Midjourney.

You have to figure out Discord well enough that you have an account and know where to type in the commands, don't you? Is Discord not a chat service for gamers, or am I thinking of something else?

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Post by detaro »

marssaxman wrote: post #73
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t have to figure out Discord or deal with “gamer kids”. You literally need 1 commands to use Midjourney.

You have to figure out Discord well enough that you have an account and know where to type in the commands, don't you? Is Discord not a chat service for gamers, or am I thinking of something else?

It is, but presumably you have seen a chat application before and thus already know where to type, and can deal with a totally standard website sign-up flow too. I don't like Discord, but it isn't difficult.

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Post by fragmede »

detaro wrote: post #74
marssaxman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to figure out Discord well enough that you have an account and know where to type in the commands, don't you? Is Discord not a chat service for gamers, or am I thinking of something else?

It is, but presumably you have seen a chat application before and thus already know where to type, and can deal with a totally standard website sign-up flow too. I don't like Discord, but it isn't difficult.

Midjourney users are sectioned off into separate rooms. For me, Discord ran into an updating bug and either they didn’t assign me to a room, or the app failed to surface the room. I had to force quit the app and restart it. I’m not familiar with Discord so I can’t comment if bugs like that are endemic or not but it doesn’t make a good first impression.

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Post by fragmede »

maskedinvader wrote: post #44

Okay I got to say I have never been both superimpressed with the product and yet confused how sucky it was to get to it. heres what happened 1. I see the post on HN 2. I click it. 3. I read comments, see people discuss why its on discord, and figure worth checking it out since I have discord 4. I had to log in with discord, go to their chat, 5. read the trial support room chat(webpage only had basic $10/month and pre…

Agreed. Their competitor using a different model, Craiyon (https://www.craiyon.com/) just has a webpage with a box you type into to get started.

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Post by fragmede »

amelius wrote: post #24
abhisekumar wrote: post #18

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You will find it here https://www.midjourney.com/pub/feed/

Doesn't seem to work. Can you open that link in a private window?

The content is inside their Discord.

Re: AI generated, command whatever you want. It will generate mind-blowing images

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Post by marssaxman »

anigbrowl wrote: post #72
olalonde wrote: post #40

If I was an artist, I'd be really scared right now.

I'm less than enthused about all these products. Are the results impressive? Very . But it's to the point where they're making a lot of creative endeavors financially worthless, which is eventually going to mean fewer and fewer people develop any of those skills. Cornucopians naturally point to all the many new possibilities and argue that this is a net benefit for humanity, but in general people make such arguments…

> The problem is that you can feel like this all day, but you won't be any more able to perform absent the aid of a digital prosthesis.

All tools are prostheses. Mastery of a tool incorporates it into your proprioception. Do you think about the motions your fingers need to make, when you type? No, of course not - you think about the words you are writing, and they appear. AI tools will be the same, once we get used to them; we will be able to think about the things we are creating at a higher level of abstraction.

Once upon a time there were workrooms full of skilled artisans who spent their days copying books by hand. Along came movable type, and that creative endeavor became financially worthless. Today practically nobody has those skills. A loss? Yes... but do we care? Not really; we'd rather let the 'mechanical prosthesis' of the printing press handle what now seems to us to be the rote work of book production.

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Post by ncmncm »

tomp wrote: post #64
maskedinvader wrote: post #44

Okay I got to say I have never been both superimpressed with the product and yet confused how sucky it was to get to it. heres what happened 1. I see the post on HN 2. I click it. 3. I read comments, see people discuss why its on discord, and figure worth checking it out since I have discord 4. I had to log in with discord, go to their chat, 5. read the trial support room chat(webpage only had basic $10/month and pre…

The image you linked to is “access denied”

Software equivalent of a supernova, if you squint.

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marssaxman wrote: post #78
anigbrowl wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm less than enthused about all these products. Are the results impressive? Very . But it's to the point where they're making a lot of creative endeavors financially worthless, which is eventually going to mean fewer and fewer people develop any of those skills. Cornucopians naturally point to all the many new possibilities and argue that this is a net benefit for humanity, but in general people make such arguments…

> The problem is that you can feel like this all day, but you won't be any more able to perform absent the aid of a digital prosthesis. All tools are prostheses. Mastery of a tool incorporates it into your proprioception. Do you think about the motions your fingers need to make, when you type? No, of course not - you think about the words you are writing, and they appear. AI tools will be the same, once we get used t…

You completely missed the point, and ended up equating creative innovation with manufacturing.

Most copyists were not illuminators. Typing does not preclude other forms of writing (eg with a pencil, which I use almost as much as a keyboard), and typing is not a creative endeavor to begin with, unless you want to get into ASCII art.

There's a difference between generative and the merely productive. You could spend 10 years using AI picture generators, and it will not develop your ability to draw a picture on paper. Making selections as a consumer is not the same as creating something, for the same reason that food appreciators in a recent aren't halfway to being chefs.

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