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…if someone doesn’t do what is required of them (participate in discovery), what would you have done?
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Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
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Re: Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
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Here is [0] a copy of the Muller report. It is vague, as is usual for political hit jobs. There is hard evidence that someone leaked truthful statements out of the DNC, which is a major political scandal (honest accounting of what the {R|D}NC if thinking? Available to the public?! heaven forfend, that is not how journalism is done). Which bits of evidence in it do you think are compelling, actionable and importat? Be…
You’re responding to “Read the Mueller report.” With [I’m not going to read the Mueller report]. Thanks for letting me know. I mean, honestly, you’re bothered by lack of details so because of that…you’re choosing not to read the parts where one would expect to find the details.
I've got a few pages left in me. I'm pretty sceptical you can find anything that I'll admit is evidence of anything that is even abnormal, let alone concerning (I'm anticipating stuff like "presidential candidate talks to Russians!" as though it isn't the presidents job to negotiate with Russians, or those hilariously small amounts of money that got spent on posting social media articles).
Which section do you think is the most powerful? What in the document upsets you?
It is pretty normal in my experience that people pretty quickly walk back from pretending that the report actually contains anything, because they can't point to it and rely on the fact that there is this fake consensus that something evil happened so there is no need to provide any evidence of anything specific. If you want to point at something I'll read it, but I think you're bluffing on a weak hand here - this report is political swill. Nobody cites from it when they have a point to make against Trump or the 2016 election.
PS: And I'll just add - telling people to "go read a 450 page document to convince yourself I'm right" is an unreasonable ask. I read a lot of that report at the time it was released and I'm pretty convinced there was nothing in it.
Re: Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
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I’m actually ok with that. All organised religions are motivated by power and money, so why not?
You are OK with the Church lying because you agree with what they are saying?
I should've quoted my previous response. My reply was to this quote of yours:
> Can I sue them for poisoning the life of my kids? They are teaching kids that lying is ok, after all.
Re: Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
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> The problem with addressing Alex Jones and the rest "censored" is that they don't believe ANYTHING they say. https://www.dailywire.com/news/reminder-wapo-nyt-won-pulitze... There are 2 attacks that are just not worth bringing up because we all know they are true: 1) [Politician] is lying. 2) [Media Personality] doesn't really believe what they are reporting. What you say is true, but also not interesting. Anyone wh…
Is that the link you meant to paste? I don't see the relevance?
I'll give you a hint - it is impossible to do Pulitzer-prize level reporting on a hoax without uncovering that it is a hoax. They knew they were fabricating a story out of nothing. And that isn't a problem, it is celebrated as good journalism.
The only thing that is different about Jones is he is targeting low-class low-intelligence audiences.
Re: Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
#305Re: Alex Jones must pay $50m in punitive damages for Sandy Hook hoax claim
#306Actually, no, the jury verdict on punitive damages is $45.2 million, but that is certain to be reduced before Jones is ordered to pay (there seems to be some dispute over whether a portion of the compensatory damages award is economic or not, and depending on the answer on that, the cap under Texas statutory punitive damages caps would seem to be somewhere between $750k and $1m; even if the plaintiffs succeed in thei…
I'm floored by reports on how much money he has made alone, not even touching on the verdict or the case! It's pretty wild that that amount of money was generated by his news machine, it would be very interesting to see where it all came from... Subscriptions? Sponsors? Yeesh, that's a lot of income. Other podcasters are going to still commit the same offences if settlements continue to under-weigh the earnings like…
He sells snake oil nutritional supplements and prepper crap, just like most niche male podcasters/personalities.
You can't generally make that much revenue from content alone unless you are like the top .0001% like Joe Rogan.
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Jones did not have a jury trial for determining guilt, the judge gave a summary judgement to the plaintiffs because Jones allegedly did not fully comply with discovery. She accurately explained, as a matter of law, that he was guilty. That had been determined at the point of the summary judgement. What happened recently and in the news was just the jury determining the size of the punishment.
> the judge gave a summary judgement to the plaintiffs because Jones allegedly did not fully comply with discovery.
Nitpick: default judgement. Summary judgement is a different thing.
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Jones did not have a jury trial for determining guilt, the judge gave a summary judgement to the plaintiffs because Jones allegedly did not fully comply with discovery. She accurately explained, as a matter of law, that he was guilty. That had been determined at the point of the summary judgement. What happened recently and in the news was just the jury determining the size of the punishment.
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> I dispute the legality of doing so, when the right to jury trial is protected under the US constitution.
The right to trial by jury in civil cases with a sufficient amount in controversy is not, unlike some other rights protected against federal infringement by the Bill of Rights, incorporated against the states by the 14th Amendment; since this is a state case, there is no federal Constitutional protection.
Also, even in the federal system, the civil jury trial right doesn't give you the right to to escape liability to refusing to allow a fair jury trial to happen by withholding evidence.
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Is 20x charitable? For many highly political topics attention varies wildly between times when it is topical and when it is not. And further, some big contributors may contribute zero on most days, and contribute huge sums on one day. Many political fundraisers bring in large fractions of their income on only during a few key days or events.
Yeah it's definitely charitable because they are constantly selling products to their audience throughout the year.
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…if someone doesn’t do what is required of them (participate in discovery), what would you have done?
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Selective participation in discovery is not sufficient and if it hadn't been clear that he had failed to produce all responsive materials when required before the phone oops during the damages phase (which it very much was, for other reasons), that error kind of sealed the deal on that.