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Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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>And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years. To be fair, that statement has always been "if Iran seriously tried to build a nuclear bomb, it'd take them roughly six months to do so." That is probably fairly true, but they've constantly lied about how serious Iran has ever been about building a nuke while using the statement stoke fears.

Why do you think Iran is just toying with the idea of building a nuke? Doesnt it make sense that if they had the capacity, or if they had the capacity to make one in 6 months, that they would? For 50 years Iran rules have been on the fence?

> Why do you think Iran is just toying with the idea of building a nuke?

After 2003's Iraq and Libya in 2011 (and Russia in 2022) it's straightforward to prove that autocrats need to have nukes (or be a staunch ally of a country with nukes) as it's the best way to prevent international sanctions escalating to military action; and conversely Ukraine shows us that not having nukes is a good way to get invaded by certain kleptomanic historically-revisionist irredentist kakistocracies.

> Doesn't it make sense that if they had the capacity, or if they had the capacity to make one in 6 months, that they would?

Consider that these countries need to build "real" nukes: whereas if Iran/NK/etc had only developed a couple of Hiroshima-sized fission bombs (~15kt) then the destructive potential is really limited and I imagine it wouldn't be a credible deterrent. But if they focus on getting 100kt+ fusion bombs (not just boosted bombs) working then the regime in charge can sleep easy at night.

> For 50 years Iran rules have been on the fence?

Iran has been actively trying to produce a nuke all the time - they just don't talk about it - nor do they talk about Israel's often successful clandestine air-strikes to their bomb production facilities - nor does Israel talk about it either. No-one talks about it.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Still a crazy amount....

Relative to what? The point of a punishment is to dissuade similar actions in the future. This amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and is not appropriate for the gravity of the crime.

They give smaller fines to mega corps for things that affect a lot more people.... I don't think 4 million is a slap on the wrist for an individual.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

I mean...$4M is definitely a repercussion. But yeah, TBH he should probably spend time in jail.

An additional $45 million in punitive damages just awarded by the jury.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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A person isn't lying if they think they are telling the truth.

I assume you mean that it's a defence that you thought it was true so you didn't commit a crime. That might be true at the beginning but I'm sure high-profile people like Alex Jones have enough exposure for people to put them straight at which point it becomes less of an excuse!

That was my initial assumption too. By now I think people like Alex Jones are so far removed that every decent, same and integer human being has left his bubble. Some out of disgust, some after they tried to influence him towards society. In the end they left for their own safety/sanity. This would also be an explanation why his defence was a mess. Amber Heard is a similar case. Lawyers who side with his views and find defendable positions might not be at the top of the lawyer ladder. It's a working theory.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Relative to what? The point of a punishment is to dissuade similar actions in the future. This amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and is not appropriate for the gravity of the crime.

They give smaller fines to mega corps for things that affect a lot more people.... I don't think 4 million is a slap on the wrist for an individual.

This “individual” has a net worth of over a $100 million so yeah a $4 million judgement is a slap on the wrist.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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post #137

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They give smaller fines to mega corps for things that affect a lot more people.... I don't think 4 million is a slap on the wrist for an individual.

This “individual” has a net worth of over a $100 million so yeah a $4 million judgement is a slap on the wrist.

I've seen other sources saying $45m: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/05/1116099506/alex-jones-infowar... ...

But why do they listen to him?

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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This is a great line but also leads to another: "If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the poor." Interesting fact about this one: it is often attributed to the game Final Fantasy Tactics because of a meme, but it is never actually said in the game.

Fines should be adjusted for income.

Or adjusted for wealth.
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