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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by hiptobecubic »

altruios wrote: post #377
BrainVirus wrote: post #369

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It's a perfect example of how people are brainwashed to accept degradation of their basic speech and due process rights because powers that be found an example (a scapegoat, really) that's not sympathetic to the public. I recall the debates around banning Jones from YouTube. It was "sold" as an unprecedented step to combat unprecedented violation of basic decency. And here were are a few years later, when simply ment…

the default judgment happened after 6 months of 'fuck around and find out' from Alex 'turn the frogs gay' Jones... he putted around with blatant disregard for the trial and cries crocodile tears when he's found lying under oath during the damages hearing... Alex 'you may be my neighbor but i'll eat your ass' jones is not some Bastian of freedom - he's a snake oil salesman profiting off other's pain and misery. sellin…

This kind of argument is a fundamental disagreement between "censorship can be ok" people vs not. Whose responsibility is it that the public is not tricked? Policy makers? Each individual person? etc

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Post by ethanbond »

cma wrote: post #414
ethanbond wrote: post #270

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Eh, not really. There have been plenty of perfectly functional apps working in China for a long time. Makes sense that people are worried about feeding video streams, geolocation data, facial recognition data, social network data, etc. to our adversary who uses the very same data sources to manipulate and control its own population.

Wasn't Eric Schmidt working for the department of defense while pushing Google+ for other countries? Letting most Silicon Valley-style platform stuff into your country is a bit crazy: why would you want network lock-in effects to mean 30% of taxi revenue or whatever flows back to the US, or that a US AI matchmakes your dating population and drains money out of the country having people pay to get more swipes than eac…

I don’t blame other countries for banning American information providing/gathering services either.

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Post by hiq »

system16 wrote: post #262
hiq wrote: post #203

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I'm not sure what your point is, we do ban some of these (with various successes and failures), so why wouldn't we do the same for social media? Yes we shouldn't ban everything, but there's a large spectrum of acceptable regulations with different tradeoffs and it's fine to discuss what your society wants in that regard instead of precluding any kind of regulation.

TikTok is not as harmful as drugs (at least I haven't seen anyone end up on skid row over watching too many dancing videos). So if it's to be regulated it would likely be similar to porn or gambling and be age restricted. OP is clearly an adult capable of making their own decisions, so this regulation wouldn't help them. So what is your point?

In many countries gambling regulations go beyond age restrictions and companies evolving in that space have to provide safeguards to prevent certain behaviors. I don't think it's far-fetched to imagine similar regulations for things like social media, at least it's a real possibility that exists before simply banning everything.

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Post by RektBoy »

est wrote: post #17
RektBoy wrote: post #8

Nooo please leave Tiktok be, they didn't do anything wrong.... cough cough OSINT treasure trove cough cough

because collecting meme video feeds are vital to OSINT.

Kids or even adults are leaving critical OSINT information in their tiktoks.

Where they live, what they're doing right now etc. And from point of view of braindead attacker. All this can be done manually.

What if I reverse Tiktok and have everything automated.

A lot of people start to stream just for fun or by mistake, for few secs. Post a video by mistake.

Bot which watches specific profile 24/7 .... catches everything and more...

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

happymellon wrote: post #407
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #278

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Show me please how wealth inequality implies corruption.

It's been studied quite a few times and links have been identified. Here is one from 2004. https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar_url?url=http://web.hks....

This particular study is just measuring correlation. Sorry, this doesn't count. We were talking about inequality CAUSING corruption.

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Post by yamazakiwi »

elefanten wrote: post #391
yamazakiwi wrote: post #354

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It depends on where you live. Some states your individual vote will not matter because the outcome has already been decided by the popularity of one party.

If you vote for the biggest offices and nothing else. There's a lot more on those ballots.

There is, and my vote will also not influence those based on where I live.

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Post by amerkhalid »

HellDunkel wrote: post #395
amerkhalid wrote: post #188

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As an ex-smoker, I never felt any anger towards cigarette companies. Only anger I felt was towards government regulations like banning smoking indoors or high taxes on cigarettes. Also felt a bit annoyed with society judging the smokers. Even when I was trying to quit, I didn't blame cigarette companies. Now in retrospect, I am glad that those regulations, taxes, and judgmental stares slowly nudged me towards quittin…

I cannot imagine tiktok doing anything good for me given how much instagram videos bore the hell out of me. What is it exactly that gives you a „kick“?

For me, Tiktok somehow shows videos that are just “right”. Maybe it is length of videos and ux. I skip anything boring in first 2-3 seconds and probably that’s how other people use it too. So creators have to make their videos entertaining from the first second.

And also videos somehow are relevant to current situation in my life. For example, if I have a tight deadline at work, Tiktok will show me videos related to work, productivity, mocking deadlines, etc. Not sure if it is just the numbers game since you can go through 10s of videos in a few minutes. And you just remember videos that were right or if their algorithm is really that good.

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Post by simion314 »

jollybean wrote: post #413
simion314 wrote: post #397

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Then EU would have to do the same for FB, Goolge,Apple and americans will have to stop complaining about protectionism every time we give those giants a fine for doing bad things.

The EU is not capable of producing it's own FB, Google and Apple, and those 'bad things' they do are are very marginal. FB selling ads to people and allowing agencies to 'target' people based on whatever just isn't causing a lot of harm to anyone. Nobody in Europe is being 'put off' because they're seeing Kid's Clothing ads because they are parents. I mean, it's odd, but not that bad. The American Gov. are not going…

The scenario I am thinking is

1 some EU person has social media account sicne a child, NSA,CIA know everything about this person

2 this person manages to reach top leadership role in politics

3 This person is involved in a decision to use say USA or EU stuff(airplanes, guns, software)

4 CIA, NSA other 3 letter agencies popup this person files and blackmail them so the Americans get the contract.

Or it could be that americans want to invade something and EU population don't like it, but the politicians get blackmailed to support he US anyway. We know as a fact that Americans spy on our politicians , I will not be surprised if blackmailing and bribing is happening, so why give the CIA,NSA access to our entire population for free, make those bastards work for it, make them do illegal shit to obtain it not just offer the data like idiots.

I am just saying, force TicTok out or ask them to keep the data in US, EU and the same force FB, Google to do the same because US does not want to do the reasonable thing and offer EU citizens same righs as US citizens when it comes to data privacy, sorry dude but fuck your US gov , privacy and other values are applied only for citizens and we the rest are just economic markets, idiots to be exploited and screwed over

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Post by vecter »

anticensor wrote: post #420
vecter wrote: post #251

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> For long videos, you need social graphs to match videos to users who like them. YouTube is all about long videos and there is basically zero social graph on there.

Like, subscribe and comment are all social interactions and they indeed are counted in recommendations.

That is not the traditional definition of a social graph, which is connecting people who know each other in real life.
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