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My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I don’t understand this post, the force touch is still there at least in the pro version of the latest iPhone, don’t know about the other models.

Also the feature to position your courser is still there, just press harder on the space key, Apple confined it to that key/area

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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Oh wow, I never knew this existed. It seems the selection can only grow and on both sides, which is the main problem. If they showed the cursor with a different color than the selected text, and if they shrink and grow the selection as you move, I think it could be pretty nice: select the starting point of the selection, and select only what’s in between the original cursor and the moving one. Alas it’s more like pai…

The problem here is that the “move left to expand left” and “move right to expand right” doesn’t map mentally to the way a cursor works. With a traditional cursor, it places an anchor wherever you’ve moused down and then drags the selection around that anchor. Whereas with Haptic Touch selection, there’s no anchor, so you find yourself selecting text you didn’t mean to. I’m sure that once you’ve gotten used to it, it…

I enabled arrows keys on every single keyboard on the Android devices I owned. I use them to move the cursor and fix mistakes, usually by tapping and adjusting with the arrows. Faster than attempting to tap at the right spot. Are there no arrows on iOS keyboards?

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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Maybe I’m in the minority here but I really did not like the feature and many people I tried to explain the feature to were confused that it existed.. “no no don’t tap the screen, you need to PUSH on the screen to make it do the action”.. and I would get a look like “huh?? Push on the screen? Why what’s that gonna do..” people saying pushing hard on the screen is intuitive seemed to live in a different bubble of peop…

I initially liked it, but gradually grew to dislike it. Having to press hard on the screen of a hand-held device that would be quite expensive to repair if dropped is just not a good idea.

I ended up reducing the force setting to the minimum, and still felt it wasn't practical.

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I had a feeling this was gonna be about 3D Touch just from seeing the title. It was definitely one of my favorite features, and Force Touch isn't a drop-in replacement. With 3D Touch anywhere on the keyboard, you could apply pressure to start moving the caret (text cursor) around, but what was even more useful was being able to apply a little bit more pressure to start selecting text with incredible precision . With…

Force touch and 3D touch are the same feature - they just called it 3D because “forced touching” had a bad sound to it.

Currently it’s “long press”. I think they did this so they could remove the physical layer required for 3D Touch that took up space.

The UX was better for the force sensor though, it was instant feedback based on user action and didn’t require a delay to detect.

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I will probably soon add an old 3D Touch iphone to my small Human Machine Interface hall of fame along with the old click wheel iPod Classic. They probably removed it because nobody was using it and they couldn't figure out how to teach people, while spending extra $ to add it into phones.

As if they put any effort whatsoever into teaching or UI discoverability these days. If there was a tutorial app I would have used it, but I have repeatedly had to use Google to find unrelated blog sites describing how to accomplish things in the iOS interface. Cynically, it feels like they think everyone should already "just know" how the various gestures work, which is obnoxious and user hostile.

>if there was a tutorial app I would have used it..

Isn't that the Tips App? I'm pretty sure it gets recommended every time you set up a new phone. Mine has a tip on using Haptic Touch with the keyboard to move the insertion point.

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I didn't even realize this is why the feature didn't work anymore. I thought I was doing something wrong. It's terrible. I find text selection and cursor placement on the iPhone to be infuriatingly difficult. The trackpad feature made it sooo easy. It was world class. Now it is just... gone? With no alternative?

You just have to hold down on the spacebar and the trackpad will show up.

Still a far inferior replacement, and text selection still blows.

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I don’t understand this post, the force touch is still there at least in the pro version of the latest iPhone, don’t know about the other models. Also the feature to position your courser is still there, just press harder on the space key, Apple confined it to that key/area

> I don’t understand this post, the force touch is still there at least in the pro version of the latest iPhone, don’t know about the other models.

Haptic Touch and 3D Touch are different things[0] and the feature was removed after the iPhone XS line. 3D touch could actually measure the amount of force you put into the screen, it wasn't simply a "long press" like Haptic Touch is.

> Also the feature to position your courser is still there, just press harder on the space key, Apple confined it to that key/area

Yeah, but it's neutered in 3 ways at least.

1. With 3D Touch you didn't have to confine it to the space bar.

2. With 3D Touch you could press harder after going into cursor mode, and it would start selecting text.

3. With 3D Touch you didn't have to wait for a long press to register to activate it.

You can see an example of it in this video[1]

[0]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205056

[1]: https://youtu.be/XlcCgiYF2Fs?t=26

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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I truly do not understand what the poster is mourning? I'm on iPhone 13 Pro Max using the latest iOS and this all seems to work as I expect...

> I truly do not understand what the poster is mourning? I'm on iPhone 13 Pro Max using the latest iOS and this all seems to work as I expect...

Your iPhone 13 has Haptic Touch, not 3D Touch. Haptic Touch and 3D Touch are different things[0] and the feature was removed after the iPhone XS line. 3D Touch could actually measure the amount of force you put into the screen, it wasn't simply a "long press" like Haptic Touch is.

The feature has also been made worse in at least 2 ways.

1. With 3D Touch you didn't have to confine it to the space bar.

2. With 3D Touch you could press harder after going into cursor mode, and it would start selecting text.

3. With 3D Touch you didn't have to wait for a long press to register to activate it.

You can see an example of it in this video[1]

[0]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205056

[1]: https://youtu.be/XlcCgiYF2Fs?t=26

Re: My favorite iPhone feature was removed, long live its subpar replacement

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post #36

I had a feeling this was gonna be about 3D Touch just from seeing the title. It was definitely one of my favorite features, and Force Touch isn't a drop-in replacement. With 3D Touch anywhere on the keyboard, you could apply pressure to start moving the caret (text cursor) around, but what was even more useful was being able to apply a little bit more pressure to start selecting text with incredible precision . With…

I’ve been so sad since upgrading my 6s about the loss of 3D Touch. I didn’t know that you can hold on the space bar now!!! Thank you for making me love my 13 mini even more now :):)

> Oh you like the mini? Well we're taking that away next.

– Apple

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