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Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by boomboomsubban »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #38
boomboomsubban wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years. To be fair, that statement has always been "if Iran seriously tried to build a nuclear bomb, it'd take them roughly six months to do so." That is probably fairly true, but they've constantly lied about how serious Iran has ever been about building a nuke while using the statement stoke fears.

To be fair, they're probably going the israeli route and have 'turn key' nukes. No way they don't have enough highly enriched material for a bomb or two by now. It's just not in their interest to advertise it.

Let's ignore how incredibly difficult that'd be given the amount of scrutiny Iran has been under for decades.

We basically know Israel has nukes because testing nuclear bombs is easily detectable worldwide. There aren't any other unexplained bombs activated. If Iran secretly built one, they have next to no idea if it works or how powerful it is.

So even if it wasn't nearly impossible, there's no reason to suspect they've built any.

This is fairly off topic though.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by spamizbad »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #38
boomboomsubban wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years. To be fair, that statement has always been "if Iran seriously tried to build a nuclear bomb, it'd take them roughly six months to do so." That is probably fairly true, but they've constantly lied about how serious Iran has ever been about building a nuke while using the statement stoke fears.

To be fair, they're probably going the israeli route and have 'turn key' nukes. No way they don't have enough highly enriched material for a bomb or two by now. It's just not in their interest to advertise it.

Makes sense: It's extremely expensive to maintain nuclear weapons after they're assembled.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by jefftk »

drexlspivey wrote: post #10
Loughla wrote: post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

I am astounded how someone can sit on the stand and spew lie after lie after lie under oath with no repercussions.

Why do you think there won't be repercussions?

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by titzer »

akudha wrote: post #5
lalaland1125 wrote: post #2

That's probably still a net profit for Alex Jones. According to the documents discussed in court he makes $800,000 a day from his show. If anything, he probably made more covering his own trial than what the trial cost.

Jeez! 800k per day. That is obscene, for a charlatan. How much of this is profit I wonder. 4M is chump change for someone making THAT much money. Plus, who knows how much money his nut job supporters are donating to him.

> That is obscene, for a charlatan.

The attention economy seems to be particularly vulnerable to charlatans. Platforms are happy to take their cut as long as those eyeballs are glued and the ad profits are dollars in. They'll furrow brows and play act some carefully chosen words, but these platforms will keep giving clowns a stage, because this circus is the best yet.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

dominotw wrote: post #31
superb-owl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty good profile: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infow... That disabused me of the notion of Jones as an Evil Genius. He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut.

> He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut. I know a bunch of these, including some in my family. None of them are capable of amassing even the fraction of following of the nut in question. I am not in agreement with 'just' in that sentence.

The fact that there are a ton implies that at some point one of them will luck their way into success.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

300bps wrote: post #30
akatechis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe then people will learn you don't get to sit there spouting blatant lies without consequence. That is partly true. The ruling class gets to lie with impunity whenever they want, for profit or power. Remember WMDs in Iraq? And Iran has been "6 months away from a nuclear bomb" for the past 50 years.

The ruling class gets to lie with impunity whenever they want You seem to be parroting the exact thing that Alex Jones said in his video responding to the $4.2 million verdict. It's simple Whataboutism. The fact is, people's children were murdered. He created and spread a conspiracy theory that the entire event was fake, and that the parents of the murdered children participated in the conspiracy. He admits he was wr…

If Jones can't run his mouth without financial repercussions then politicians shouldn't be able to run theirs either and their PACs shouldn't be able to run those stupid lying ads.

It's not whataboutism. It's complaining about inequality under the law.

The lesson being learned here isn't "don't lie". It's "don't lie unless you're one of the more equal animals"

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by lbriner »

snet0 wrote: post #22
superb-owl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty good profile: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/magazine/alex-jones-infow... That disabused me of the notion of Jones as an Evil Genius. He's just an alcohol-and-attention-fueled nut.

Watching him on Joe Rogan post Sandy-Hook gave me a pause that made me wonder if, under the public persona, there was a genuine human. I can certainly imagine that, if you're getting so heavily rewarded for the OTT absurdity, vitriol and anger, you can eventually get lost in the act. Occam's razor holds true, though. He's just a clown with issues.

There are plenty of people out there who are somewhere between mentally ill, people who thinks things are funny or those who will literally do anything for fame or fortune.

I mean those people who shared the fake "magnetic covid chip" videos without even a thought for feeding paranoid people who then die because they don't get vaccinated.

Or people who create those ridiculous "You won't believe what Barack Obama did next" as pure click bait ads just for the money, without thinking that people then believe this stuff etc.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by dalbasal »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #3

I hope they throw the book at him for punitive damages as well. Maybe then people will learn you don't get to sit there spouting blatant lies without consequence. I thought forwarding his messages to the jan6 committee was just a stunt but apparently there's some juicy stuff in there. Will be interesting to see what comes out of it.

I think spouting blatant lies is and should be something you can "get away with," at least legally. Jones was (IMO) actually attacking these people. He continuously unleashing a mob of shitposting arseholes and actual lunatics on them.

Re: Alex Jones must pay $4M in damages for Sandy Hook hoax claims

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Post by faeriechangling »

Loughla wrote: post #4

So all the memes aside, is anyone else astounded at how poorly that went for Alex Jones? Just a shit-show nearly the entire time. From his terrible legal representation, to his own terrible testimony. Just a mess. I mean, his 'on-air' personality is a mess, but I always sort of thought it was just a show. It's interesting to me that it turned out he really is just an absolute train-wreck of a person.

Having followed the case, him being absolutely demolished in court repeatedly is no shock given his brazen contempt for the court system and his refusal to abide by any sort of law or rules.

I’m most shocked at his own sheer self-destructiveness. What is he going to do now? Claim the courts conspired against him?

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